Is Cabair going to stay alive?
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I went to the exhibition today in London. No cabair there, but what was interesting, the flybe director did a talk. When it came to the FTO's that they work with cabair was not on the slide nor was it mentioned.
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Porridge mentioned earlier about Greed and Thiefcoat - there is another story about a little boy who kept nagging his Dad that all he wanted for Christmas was a cowboy outfit - so his Dad went out and bought Cabair!!
I wonder if thats what happened with the new owners?
Recently I have met some ex Cabair staff - all of them expressing how pleased they were to get out.
I wonder if thats what happened with the new owners?
Recently I have met some ex Cabair staff - all of them expressing how pleased they were to get out.
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Obviously no one wants to see the demise of yet another FTO / aviation company. However, the untold damage to the 'already dodgy' reputation of this company will be difficult to set aside.
I cannot see CCAT contracts from BA, JE, Q8 and RB in the near/medium future. And (negative) word-of-mouth is very powerful!
But hey, I have seen stranger things happen.............. Good luck all.
I cannot see CCAT contracts from BA, JE, Q8 and RB in the near/medium future. And (negative) word-of-mouth is very powerful!
But hey, I have seen stranger things happen.............. Good luck all.
This standard of teaching is much higher than normal ATPL's and as the ground instructors invulnerably don't distinguish between the two, modular ATPL ground school students get a better than standard teaching level.
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Some academics although highly intelligent are the worst teachers on this planet.
You also get some that are pretty thick actually in the grand scale of things but utterly brilliant at teaching thier subject, they are getting few and far between.
Unfortunately the way the whole system is setup its research, paper writing, and submitting research grants which is the main asset of an academic to a department.
So far from being centres of excellences for teaching university are in some ways lagging far behind the rest of the training and teaching profession. But then again they arn't really in the business of teaching. Part of skills learnt doing a degree is self learning, personal discipline and organising information. None of which can be done if the student is spoon fed every detail.
Which is why the ATPL degrees arn't worth the paper they are written on for anything academic.
You also get some that are pretty thick actually in the grand scale of things but utterly brilliant at teaching thier subject, they are getting few and far between.
Unfortunately the way the whole system is setup its research, paper writing, and submitting research grants which is the main asset of an academic to a department.
So far from being centres of excellences for teaching university are in some ways lagging far behind the rest of the training and teaching profession. But then again they arn't really in the business of teaching. Part of skills learnt doing a degree is self learning, personal discipline and organising information. None of which can be done if the student is spoon fed every detail.
Which is why the ATPL degrees arn't worth the paper they are written on for anything academic.
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Steve G Read and Colin T Heefcote
I remember these two fine and honorable gents from years ago at Elstree
it all went wrong it seems when the demure Julia left -- I wonder why?
it all went wrong it seems when the demure Julia left -- I wonder why?
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I feel very sad at what is happening at Cabair and also what i'm reading. The main concern has to be the students who have paid up front and now find themselves in the situation that they've probably lost their money, and the instructors who have been left without a job and owed 4-6 weeks wages. Speaking as a past Cabair student, I have to say that in general i was happy with my time there. Yes, there were a few problems and niggles, but the standard of teaching, both in Ground school and Flight school was very good. The majority of the staff were excellent and if ever there was any gripes with them, it was because they set a high standard and wanted the students to succeed. Ground school was very demanding but that's the way it should be and Flight school was well organised and disciplined. The aircraft were all well maintained and we had the advantage of training on modern glass cockpit aircraft. The biggest problem, in my opinion was the management. In any business, the figures have to add up to succeed and if they don't, then adjustments must be made to correct this. We are in one of the worst world recessions of recent time and very few businesses can boast healthy growth. Cabair should have closely monitored the situation and made vital business decisions accordingly, irrespective of how unpopular they would have been to safeguard their position and the position of the students and instructors. I cannot see Cabair, with all the bad publicity that it has received recently, survive this. If new owners come in, then it will need to re-open under a new name and a firm new business plan must be put in place and adhered to. There should be daily, "hands on" running of the business by the owners to ensure that it succeeds and safeguards should be put in place for the unexpected.
I genuinely hope a solution can be found to save Cabair and the student's money but regrettably i can't see this.
I genuinely hope a solution can be found to save Cabair and the student's money but regrettably i can't see this.
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See below, from today's London Gazette
I don't know just how central to the rest of Cabair this company is.
In the High Court of Justice No 9121 of 2011
CABAIR INTERNATIONAL AVIATION LIMITED
(Company Number 07464761)
Nature of Business: Others - Not Reported.
Registered Office of Company: Cabair Building, 1 Cranfield Airfield,
Wharley End, Cranfield, Bedford.
Principal Trading Address: Cabair Building, 1 Cranfield Airfield,
Wharley End, Cranfield, Bedford.
Date of Appointment: 20 October 2011.
Joint Administrators’ Names and Address: Nigel Geoffrey Atkinson
and Mark Robert Fry (IP Nos 001502 and 008588), both of Begbies
Traynor (Central) LLP, 32 Cornhill, London EC3V 3BT Further
details contact: Natasha Manyande, Tel: 020 7398 3729.
I don't know just how central to the rest of Cabair this company is.
In the High Court of Justice No 9121 of 2011
CABAIR INTERNATIONAL AVIATION LIMITED
(Company Number 07464761)
Nature of Business: Others - Not Reported.
Registered Office of Company: Cabair Building, 1 Cranfield Airfield,
Wharley End, Cranfield, Bedford.
Principal Trading Address: Cabair Building, 1 Cranfield Airfield,
Wharley End, Cranfield, Bedford.
Date of Appointment: 20 October 2011.
Joint Administrators’ Names and Address: Nigel Geoffrey Atkinson
and Mark Robert Fry (IP Nos 001502 and 008588), both of Begbies
Traynor (Central) LLP, 32 Cornhill, London EC3V 3BT Further
details contact: Natasha Manyande, Tel: 020 7398 3729.
The mobile number listed on their website does not work. The landline number meet a voicemail message recorded by what sounds like a teenage girl.
Draw your own conclusions.
As the 2nd credit crunch bites there wilL be cause for Wannabes to be beware.
WWW
Draw your own conclusions.
As the 2nd credit crunch bites there wilL be cause for Wannabes to be beware.
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I've also spotted that a company called "Over the Pond Limited" with the same address at Cranfield is also now in administration, with the same named administrators.
As before, I have absolutely no idea how this fits into the Cabair structure and what implication it has for any other companies.
As before, I have absolutely no idea how this fits into the Cabair structure and what implication it has for any other companies.
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As I indicated previously C.I.A. was to be the compamy to carry-on the CCAT business from Cranfield.
With Administrators appointed coupled with the outstanding liabilities of the Cabair organisation, the chance of the Phoenix (now there is a name from the past at EGTC......) rising out of the ashes / fire surely is remote!
Having been made redundant myself a few times before I have never seen Administrators (aviation business) succeeding in selling-off the compamy. Lots of talk of course!!!!!!! And a nice little earner for their company.
So long guys!
QED
With Administrators appointed coupled with the outstanding liabilities of the Cabair organisation, the chance of the Phoenix (now there is a name from the past at EGTC......) rising out of the ashes / fire surely is remote!
Having been made redundant myself a few times before I have never seen Administrators (aviation business) succeeding in selling-off the compamy. Lots of talk of course!!!!!!! And a nice little earner for their company.
So long guys!
QED