Wich schools can you atend with a PPL?
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amazing isn't it!
a country where you can get your CPL / IR as part of your studies if you choose that route
no harm researching it all
but your home town has the best long-term option
you can always type rate over here later
a country where you can get your CPL / IR as part of your studies if you choose that route
no harm researching it all
but your home town has the best long-term option
you can always type rate over here later
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You will benefit by far from having a good solid education with good grades and I would not sacrifice those grades for flying. At the moment all you want to do is achieve a flying position with a quality company as soon as you can. That is understandable, nothing wrong with ambition at an early stage, but, after a couple of years you might change your mind, you might find you're not cut out for an airline career after all. You need options, and that means good school grades. Also, if you do go into aviation, those grades will help with developing your career later on.
All of the FTOs that you mention are good outfits and they regularly supply the leading airlines with newly qualified First Officers, your choice is going to be made nearer the time, when you are ready. Keep an eye on what airlines require. Write to them, find out the sort of people they recruit.
You will benefit by far from having a good solid education with good grades and I would not sacrifice those grades for flying. At the moment all you want to do is achieve a flying position with a quality company as soon as you can. That is understandable, nothing wrong with ambition at an early stage, but, after a couple of years you might change your mind, you might find you're not cut out for an airline career after all. You need options, and that means good school grades. Also, if you do go into aviation, those grades will help with developing your career later on.
All of the FTOs that you mention are good outfits and they regularly supply the leading airlines with newly qualified First Officers, your choice is going to be made nearer the time, when you are ready. Keep an eye on what airlines require. Write to them, find out the sort of people they recruit.
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The thing is that I have to decide now. Because the bfssa (free training at upper secondary school) Starts in August. So I have to be ready for the tests in April.
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I don´t understand. You say that BA,LH etc look for pilots with thousands of hours and experience. This you get from fyling with Ryan or Flybe etc.
Then someone mentioned that OAA,SFA,CTC etc provides the leading airlines with newly graduated First Officers.
So how is it? Do the graduates from these schools, get a job with BA or don´t they?
Then someone mentioned that OAA,SFA,CTC etc provides the leading airlines with newly graduated First Officers.
So how is it? Do the graduates from these schools, get a job with BA or don´t they?
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Nothing is guaranteed. Just because some schools (otherwise known as "businesses") promise the world to get hold of your money doesn't mean that they can influence anything. You might be lucky and be recommended if you are above average but don't count on it.
Maybe. Probably not.
So you like flying. Great. When you understand that it's just another business you will cool down.
If you really do have the opportunity to have your training paid for by the state you should understand how lucky you are. Get trained at home and think about getting extras later. And don't plan too far ahead because things will change, whatever you think. Listen to people who have been doing it longer than you and take advice. Add three weeks and 30% to everything.
Don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out the way you expected, that's the most likely outcome. Work hard and eventually you'll end up in the right place. Could take years though.
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So how is it? Do the graduates from these schools, get a job with BA or don´t they?
So you like flying. Great. When you understand that it's just another business you will cool down.
If you really do have the opportunity to have your training paid for by the state you should understand how lucky you are. Get trained at home and think about getting extras later. And don't plan too far ahead because things will change, whatever you think. Listen to people who have been doing it longer than you and take advice. Add three weeks and 30% to everything.
Don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out the way you expected, that's the most likely outcome. Work hard and eventually you'll end up in the right place. Could take years though.
Not what you wanted to hear? Win X-factor.
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Okay. I belive you guys. It sounds logical. But I allso get caught when I read about BAs pilot schem for OAA and such. Anyhow, you experienced guys think i should go for the upper secondary school wich gives you cpl and ir for free? This will result in me paying about 250-300 thousands for atpl and type rating later on.
The thing is that it feels right for the moment to do so. I don´t very good at my present school. I am sure I will enjoy it much more at the flying school. The only thing I am worried about, is that maybe I will not get as good grades at the flying school as in normal school. And I will not have the oppurtunite to study cambridge english, wich I can do at my present school.
The thing is that it feels right for the moment to do so. I don´t very good at my present school. I am sure I will enjoy it much more at the flying school. The only thing I am worried about, is that maybe I will not get as good grades at the flying school as in normal school. And I will not have the oppurtunite to study cambridge english, wich I can do at my present school.
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Oh, boy, oh, boy. Oh boy.
Should I work my ass off, sacrifice personal life over many years, 'best years of life' saving, working like hell, slaving off, only to achieve my aviation career goals/dreams,
OR
SHOULD I HAVE MOST OF TRAINING FOR FREE?
With the option of having TR paid for by bond or nice friendly bank loan with Scandinavian bank?
Where do I sign for Swedish citizenship? Merde, I'm too old already..
Just like many Norwegians doing rotary training, they can get nice loans for all of their training. Looks like I was born in the wrong country (still could be worse, though..)
Should I work my ass off, sacrifice personal life over many years, 'best years of life' saving, working like hell, slaving off, only to achieve my aviation career goals/dreams,
OR
SHOULD I HAVE MOST OF TRAINING FOR FREE?
With the option of having TR paid for by bond or nice friendly bank loan with Scandinavian bank?
Where do I sign for Swedish citizenship? Merde, I'm too old already..
Just like many Norwegians doing rotary training, they can get nice loans for all of their training. Looks like I was born in the wrong country (still could be worse, though..)
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Hey we may have free education in Sweden but hey, I would rather bee born in Germany for example. Then I know that I have good chanches of getting a Job with Germanys national airline.
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fabbe92!
Slow down a bit. You are only 16. It is clear from your questions that you know way too little about being a pilot, work in an airline and a lot of other things about the training you will need and the benefits of the different options you have.
As others have pointed out you are not even familiar with the integrated/modular concept. There is lots of other stuff you should research before you decide what to do.
Now, your first decision is whether you should apply for the upper secondary level school that may give you a professional license for free. Well, to me that’s no brainer. Of course you should try to get in. You may not be selected, but if you are, you have not committed yourself to anything yet.
I can’t see any reference to at free program on www.bfsaa.se, but if you say so it is probably correct. To me it looks like an ordinary flight training organization (FTO) and part of the training takes place in the USA.
I know of another program at the University of Lund, which also gives you an ATPL free of charge (if you get in). May be it would be better for you to finish a normal upper secondary level education, and the head of to Lund.
You say you are not rich but don’t mind spending the money it takes. Well, I don’t think you know enough about the value of money, and how they can come in handy later in life. So take what you can get for free if the quality is up to standard.
As for your chances of getting a job with BA or the like, nobody can guaranty you anything no matter which school or program you attend. Some schools co-operate with specific airlines, but in no way are you sure to get a job. Currently it is hard for everybody and the most likely path is via smaller companies with smaller aircraft regardless of school.
People reach their dream position in the big jet thru very different paths. For a lot of pilots the goal changes along the way. There are so many other important parameters that will influence where you end up.
So bottom line: Apply for the upper secondary level pilot program. No harm in that. If you are accepted, then try it out. If you feel it is not working out, transfer to a standard school and then consider the program at University of Lund.
Slow down a bit. You are only 16. It is clear from your questions that you know way too little about being a pilot, work in an airline and a lot of other things about the training you will need and the benefits of the different options you have.
As others have pointed out you are not even familiar with the integrated/modular concept. There is lots of other stuff you should research before you decide what to do.
Now, your first decision is whether you should apply for the upper secondary level school that may give you a professional license for free. Well, to me that’s no brainer. Of course you should try to get in. You may not be selected, but if you are, you have not committed yourself to anything yet.
I can’t see any reference to at free program on www.bfsaa.se, but if you say so it is probably correct. To me it looks like an ordinary flight training organization (FTO) and part of the training takes place in the USA.
I know of another program at the University of Lund, which also gives you an ATPL free of charge (if you get in). May be it would be better for you to finish a normal upper secondary level education, and the head of to Lund.
You say you are not rich but don’t mind spending the money it takes. Well, I don’t think you know enough about the value of money, and how they can come in handy later in life. So take what you can get for free if the quality is up to standard.
As for your chances of getting a job with BA or the like, nobody can guaranty you anything no matter which school or program you attend. Some schools co-operate with specific airlines, but in no way are you sure to get a job. Currently it is hard for everybody and the most likely path is via smaller companies with smaller aircraft regardless of school.
People reach their dream position in the big jet thru very different paths. For a lot of pilots the goal changes along the way. There are so many other important parameters that will influence where you end up.
So bottom line: Apply for the upper secondary level pilot program. No harm in that. If you are accepted, then try it out. If you feel it is not working out, transfer to a standard school and then consider the program at University of Lund.
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Thats what I am concidering, doing now. And the school in Lund. 12 people is accepted every year. And you have to have straight A:s. They allso are very conservative and have allways been. Therefor I have difficulty entering there considering my name.
But have you guys understod that if you work hard at the upper secondary, and stick out. 30% of the students are accepted to continute the training. This means that after school you continue to the normal bfsaa and they give you the atpl and all you need to start working, for free.
But have you guys understod that if you work hard at the upper secondary, and stick out. 30% of the students are accepted to continute the training. This means that after school you continue to the normal bfsaa and they give you the atpl and all you need to start working, for free.
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I saw a movie on youtube where you followed a class of 2005 i belive. (oaa). In the end you got to se pictures of the youngsters workplaces. I saw one girl with Flybe. Then I saw 5-6 of them at BA and the 737. How do you explain that.
Anyhow I have pretty much decided to go the free way and work my way up. I have heard that this is very fun and it is better for your career than to be flying the airbus a320 (flyes it self) from the begining.
I looked at BAs website and I looked at their requirements. I saw that they requests fluid english offcourse. But it allso said "Clear diction" What does this mean? That you have to have a british accent or what?
In sweden (upper secondary school) we have english: a,b,c,d and e. A is the lowest. If i go to the flying school, i will be able to study up to english E wich is the highest course in Sweden. At my present school we allso have the oppprtunitie to study Cambridge english wich normaly is University. And we focuses very much on english and my teacher is scothish so he has a british accent.
So I wonder if you guys think its worth staying in this school for this or go to the free flying school. There i can get English E wich is the highest course (normaly).
I am only 16 but I have to decide now since i will begin at the flying school in august if i decide to do so.
Happy holidays!!
Anyhow I have pretty much decided to go the free way and work my way up. I have heard that this is very fun and it is better for your career than to be flying the airbus a320 (flyes it self) from the begining.
I looked at BAs website and I looked at their requirements. I saw that they requests fluid english offcourse. But it allso said "Clear diction" What does this mean? That you have to have a british accent or what?
In sweden (upper secondary school) we have english: a,b,c,d and e. A is the lowest. If i go to the flying school, i will be able to study up to english E wich is the highest course in Sweden. At my present school we allso have the oppprtunitie to study Cambridge english wich normaly is University. And we focuses very much on english and my teacher is scothish so he has a british accent.
So I wonder if you guys think its worth staying in this school for this or go to the free flying school. There i can get English E wich is the highest course (normaly).
I am only 16 but I have to decide now since i will begin at the flying school in august if i decide to do so.
Happy holidays!!
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darling,
cool down. have a coke/milk/NA stuff.
Browse through some threads related to 'integrated' pros and cons. check out 'dowturn' thread to give you a broad idea (don't expect you to read it all, you'd die sooner).
Also look at the thread where people ask about funding/lack of it, get the feel of desperation etc - just to get a distant feeling how it feels like not having such opportunities. Or taking ages to finish flight training because of money..
You have received more than enough sound and knowledgeable opinions and suggestions. You can't just expect people to fuss about with every little spur of an idea you have.
Nobody replied to your thread where 'all's been said' for one whole day?
C'mon, don't be childish. Oops, you still are, technically.
Can't elaborate on your diction, but you could work on your spelling.
You've seen some promo youtube vids? From 2-3 years ago???
How do we explain that? As suggested couple times, have a few weeks'/months' go at reading through PPRuNe. That's not condescending or patronising statement and so many 'get-it-all-served-on-tray-know-how-about-everything-quickly' persons expect and get upset otherwise..
You're also contradicting yourself. You only want to go for BA, but you want to work your way up (instructing, charter, TP, etc). Yes, language may help for national flagship carriers, but then, you're just fine speaking Swedish.
You should also remember that schools are companies/businesses, so there's always marketing, selling oneself, hyping up some stuff. Sure, seeing 'those youngsters' with epaulettes, etc, blah blah. Try to pull out something with summer/autumn 2008 date like that. Also, just because there's a bloke that's youngest jet captain (yeah, expensive training, daddy airline captain that let him fly for 'family business' etc, doesn't mean it's easy/normal/probable)
You're getting lost in your reasoning regarding English study.
Nothing wrong with being starry-eyed at your age, but you should practice patience, researching stuff, trying to see 'bigger picture'.
Enjoy relaxing times
EDIT: I believe you now, drpep
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post4609135
cool down. have a coke/milk/NA stuff.
Browse through some threads related to 'integrated' pros and cons. check out 'dowturn' thread to give you a broad idea (don't expect you to read it all, you'd die sooner).
Also look at the thread where people ask about funding/lack of it, get the feel of desperation etc - just to get a distant feeling how it feels like not having such opportunities. Or taking ages to finish flight training because of money..
You have received more than enough sound and knowledgeable opinions and suggestions. You can't just expect people to fuss about with every little spur of an idea you have.
Nobody replied to your thread where 'all's been said' for one whole day?
C'mon, don't be childish. Oops, you still are, technically.
Can't elaborate on your diction, but you could work on your spelling.
You've seen some promo youtube vids? From 2-3 years ago???
How do we explain that? As suggested couple times, have a few weeks'/months' go at reading through PPRuNe. That's not condescending or patronising statement and so many 'get-it-all-served-on-tray-know-how-about-everything-quickly' persons expect and get upset otherwise..
You're also contradicting yourself. You only want to go for BA, but you want to work your way up (instructing, charter, TP, etc). Yes, language may help for national flagship carriers, but then, you're just fine speaking Swedish.
You should also remember that schools are companies/businesses, so there's always marketing, selling oneself, hyping up some stuff. Sure, seeing 'those youngsters' with epaulettes, etc, blah blah. Try to pull out something with summer/autumn 2008 date like that. Also, just because there's a bloke that's youngest jet captain (yeah, expensive training, daddy airline captain that let him fly for 'family business' etc, doesn't mean it's easy/normal/probable)
You're getting lost in your reasoning regarding English study.
Nothing wrong with being starry-eyed at your age, but you should practice patience, researching stuff, trying to see 'bigger picture'.
Enjoy relaxing times
EDIT: I believe you now, drpep
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...ml#post4609135
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hello
There are a lot of flying schools which you can even finish until your CPL for $40,000 usd. Far cheaper than what you guys are posting. (70,000 euros) thats too much.
Check out strikewing.com
Check out strikewing.com
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Sorry but I don´t have mutch experience and these Cadet programs with Cityjet etc, sounds very good to me. And now that BAs cadett program, maybe is about to start. I am even more unsertain, if I should go To the upper or whait.
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Fabbe92 I think you need to do alot more research about this! Hässlö/arvidsjaur will not give you a CPL/ir for free! You get a SEP CPL/VFR.
Anyhow you should stop asking all these questions wich cannot be answered that easily remember what happened to your thread at G-kraft?
How can you tell if your crap or not at flying when you have got what 2-3 hours logged so far?
Have a merry christmas and don't forget to study for those exams in january!
Anyhow you should stop asking all these questions wich cannot be answered that easily remember what happened to your thread at G-kraft?
How can you tell if your crap or not at flying when you have got what 2-3 hours logged so far?
Have a merry christmas and don't forget to study for those exams in january!
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How is it with language. If you are 40 years old and have about 8000 hours. You have everything it takes to get a job with a foreign airline, except the language. Lets say you Have everything that a Belgian company wants but you do not speak the language. Will you get accepted? Because I am a very interessted in international jobs and foreign airlines. Like Brussels, LH, KL or even smaller ones, Air Berlin or whatever. But I speek none of the languages that they require. For the moment I speak italian, swedish, english and french.