Wikiposts
Search
Professional Pilot Training (includes ground studies) A forum for those on the steep path to that coveted professional licence. Whether studying for the written exams, training for the flight tests or building experience here's where you can hang out.

JAA ATPL Study!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 5th Dec 2008, 10:19
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sydney
Age: 34
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
JAA ATPL Study!

Hi, how long should it take the average person to study all 14 ATPL manuals and be exam ready?

It seems a lot to read and take in!
paton400 is offline  
Old 5th Dec 2008, 10:24
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Ireland
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
6 months, maybe a little more...
Dick_Dasterdly is offline  
Old 5th Dec 2008, 10:31
  #3 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Sydney
Age: 34
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is that all?

Do you need to be up to scratch with maths and physics or is it just a case of reading and learning?
paton400 is offline  
Old 5th Dec 2008, 11:04
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Age: 56
Posts: 43
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
You should follow the programmed course of study with your training provider. I took 13 months distance learning at about 15hrs/week study and then revision time prior to exams. The course should be 650 hours study time (at least). There is a time limit of 18 months from completion of first series of exams to complete all 14. The amount of time you take should suit your own study timetable and everyone is different so don't worry about the "average person".
Nozwaldo is offline  
Old 5th Dec 2008, 11:15
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: A place where something is or could be located; a site.
Posts: 455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yeah, about 6 months all in if you're doing it full time. It took me 10 months whilst working full time not particularly breaking my balls.

At some point the penny will drop and you will realise that most of the expensive material you have purchased is not required. As mentioned on previous threads, it's a game. If you follow the rules and the well trodden path it becomes fairly strainght forward. Don't be put off by the big books - their bark is much worse than their bite.

I'd estimate around 60% of the books are surplus to requirements. The only difficult part is finding out which parts you need and which you don't. That's where subscription to a certain internet database becomes priceless.....
EK4457 is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2008, 11:19
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Midlands
Age: 50
Posts: 395
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Got to concur with the last post.

Mine took 10 1/2 months from opening the first book to sitting my final exams. It can be done much quicker, but I would suggest that it would need to be full time study, whereas my study time was split with 40 hours per week full time employment, working shifts and a young family.

As a slight calming of the nerves, some of the subjects have extensive overlaps, particularly areas like radio nav and instruments, so this means there is slightly less to learn than first appears (admitedly only about 10%).

Regards,
Obs
Obs cop is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2008, 13:24
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Planet Earth
Posts: 209
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I got my books from bristol 15 may 2008, finnished 4 december 2008, with all the 14 exams. I also had to wait 1 month extra because there were no sits for the brush up course at bristol. I would say, 6 months would be possible full time.
Anonymus6 is offline  
Old 7th Dec 2008, 09:38
  #8 (permalink)  
LH2
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Abroad
Posts: 1,172
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
how long should it take the average person to study all 14 ATPL manuals and be exam ready?
It depends entirely on your individual circumstances. Prior qualifications, experience, familiarity with any of the subjects being dealt with, type and schedule of your current job, general stability in your personal affairs (family, health, finances), etc., etc. One thing I do not personally believe counts for much (within reason) is intellectual ability.

All the stuff is high-school level, no maths a 14 year old could not do, and as for the physics, if you are vaguely familiar with the idea of the Earth being round and have heard of something called gravity (what goes up comes down, bit like the stock market) you should be allright.

They can be done in four months and without excessive sweating while holding a full time job but that doesn't mean that you should plan on getting it over with within four months unless you honestly think that's a realistic possibility in your own current situation, and/or you have nothing to lose by trying

Those exams are a pain in the arse, but take your time if you feel you need it. Life's not that short.
LH2 is offline  
Old 7th Dec 2008, 10:56
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: The Desert but shortly to be HK!)
Age: 49
Posts: 474
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
14 months distance learning whilst holding down a full time job (60-70hrs a week in the day job).... amazed it took some people 10 months full-time... must have had a great social life! (I had none... )
Grass strip basher is offline  
Old 7th Dec 2008, 11:13
  #10 (permalink)  

Hovering AND talking
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
Age: 59
Posts: 5,705
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They can be done in four months and without excessive sweating while holding a full time job
Really? Let's say there are 18 weeks in that four months with 45 hours a week being used up for work (including commute) and that you sleep for 6 hours a night. The ATPL course should be 650 hours (not including sitting the actual exams), therefore that leaves you a little over 6 hours a day for everything else including washing, cooking, cleaning. That also assumes a very generous employer who would allow you the time-off required for the brush-up courses and exams in such a short period.

Let's be realistic; six months full-time study should be do-able and 12 months with a full-time job is reasonable. I took 9 months working part-time!

Cheers

Whirls
Whirlygig is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2008, 07:04
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 176
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Currently undergoing ATPL studies at the moment (first half). Got 4 weeks left on the computer program from bristol til its finished, which will probably take around 2 weeks todo with a full time job aswel. My time frame is 12 months all in hopefully.. i dont feel there is any rush to finish them quickly, with the current climate still looming over the avaiation industry, as once these exams are done the clock begins in which all the courses have to be completed.
Regards
Andy_20 is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2008, 08:25
  #12 (permalink)  
LH2
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Abroad
Posts: 1,172
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Really?
Yes, really.
LH2 is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2008, 11:33
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm just wondering how you people memorize 14 books

Eikido
eikido is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2008, 12:28
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: A place where something is or could be located; a site.
Posts: 455
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Read the thread! You dont. You memorise a few thousand questions and answers. Most of the books are not required.
EK4457 is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2008, 13:30
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: England
Age: 38
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What do you guys think of this school, check it out

private pilot, learn to fly with Orlando Flight Training

The can issue a JAA license and are the first I have found in the US.

obviously alot cheaper than the UK schools

any thoughts?

Thanks
Riz0 is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2008, 13:51
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Inside the roster matrix
Posts: 617
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Be very careful with overseas schools.
You can be put to the back of the queue and loose your money. By all means hour build, but why not fly in the UK and goto France, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Belgium etc... It will look much better in your logbook...
Pay the extra and go to a recommended school. Visit at least 3-4 and see where you feel is the best environment for you. I hated 2 and settles on the 3rd straight away. First time passes .... and the training was good enough to fly and pass a sim check, not just momorize a route or two.
PAPI-74 is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2008, 14:31
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Europe
Posts: 651
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
if you are vaguely familiar with the idea of the Earth being round and have heard of something called gravity
Sounds interesting, can you elaborate on that?

--

I know a guy who did all 14 within 3 months, full time. He had his CPL ME IR already tho, so it's not like he didn't study the individual things before.

Just take your time and study as fast / slowly as you think - there's no jobs anyways
INNflight is offline  
Old 8th Dec 2008, 14:37
  #18 (permalink)  

Hovering AND talking
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
Age: 59
Posts: 5,705
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LH2
Yes, really
Wow - well, that's amazing if that's what you did. Please explain how you managed to find the time? I would love to know how!

Cheers

Whirls
Whirlygig is offline  
Old 10th Dec 2008, 09:56
  #19 (permalink)  
LH2
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Abroad
Posts: 1,172
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Whirls,

yes, that's what I did, just as others managed to do it in the same or even less time (some examples given above). But this is immaterial because, as I said on my previous post, everyone's personal situation is different and some people will naturally be in a better position than others to achieve certain things. Which is of course why one should not try to gauge themselves against others they know nothing about.

If curious about the specifics, ask your friend P.A.

INNflight,
Sounds interesting, can you elaborate on that?
No, sorry. Forgot all about it with my 14th exam
LH2 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.