From PPL(A) to FI - some pointers please
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Haha flyinho,
too right, you have to make sure you use proper english on here apparently!?
Whirls,
YES, you can do your atpl exams after your CPL. What are you talking about. It may make sense to do your ATPL's first but theres nothin at all stopping you from doing these later down the line!!!!
You can!!!
too right, you have to make sure you use proper english on here apparently!?
Whirls,
YES, you can do your atpl exams after your CPL. What are you talking about. It may make sense to do your ATPL's first but theres nothin at all stopping you from doing these later down the line!!!!
You can!!!
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JohnGV, the original poster asked if he could do the additional exams after CPL for ATPL and you said "yes". The answer is "no".
ATPL ground exams are not additional exams, they are a completely different set of exams. THAT is what I am talking about!
This is one reason why one needs to be reasonably accurate in ones use of English.
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Whirls
ATPL ground exams are not additional exams, they are a completely different set of exams. THAT is what I am talking about!
This is one reason why one needs to be reasonably accurate in ones use of English.
Cheers
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Whirlygig,
What ADDITIONAL exams do you think he was tlkin about then????!!!!!!
I would say he ment ATPLs by that!! correct me if im wrong Rishy?!
You seem to resort back to my Imbecile txt chat post just for the sake to add weight to your pointless argument- what did that have anythin to do with the subject at hand! PRAT!
You were wrong, simple!
What ADDITIONAL exams do you think he was tlkin about then????!!!!!!
I would say he ment ATPLs by that!! correct me if im wrong Rishy?!
You seem to resort back to my Imbecile txt chat post just for the sake to add weight to your pointless argument- what did that have anythin to do with the subject at hand! PRAT!
You were wrong, simple!
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So if you sit your ATPL exams how long do you have to pass the CPL/IR/ME/MCC, also once youve passed all those how long do you have to unfreeze the ATPL. I believe you have to do so many hours multi crew before unfreezing, obviously you aren't going to get these instructing, so what are the consequences of not unfreezing in time?
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Phil
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Originally Posted by Mickey Kaye
Although this would be unpaid the few quid that you would get from instucting doesn't warrant the signifcant time and expense of obtaining a CPL.
Rishy, I also considered doing only CPL exams, but my understanding was that they were almost as most work as the ATPL exams and that if there was any chance at all that I might need the ATPL exams in the future then I should do them straight off. There is a lot of work involved but not as much as doing the CPL exams one year and then the full ATPLS later. That would be a real pain.
Phil, once you've apssed your ATPL theory there is no time limit for gaining your CPL or MCC or ME rating, BUT, you have 36 months to gain you IR before your exam credits expire. And once you have your IR you then have 7 years of validity from your last IR renewal so basically once you've got a froxen ATPL your're fairly safe.
Its all in LASORS chaps, download a copy here
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can I ask that if your ATPL exams does expire but you have a cpl with no IR, do you have to repeat all of the 14 exams again or just the extra four for ATPL (think its four not sure)... just wondering a hypothetical situation..
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Not sure where your getting the 'extra 4 for ATPL' from but the bottom line is this:-
Once you've passed the 14 atpl's, you have 3 years to complete the CPL and IR. If you fail to complete the IR within those 3 years then you will lose the ATPL privilages. There is no option but to do all 14 exams again.
Assuming you complete everything within the 3 years then you need to keep(to keep the frozen atpl current) the IR valid, or again, you will lose all 14 atpl privilages. To keep the IR valid you have to renew it every year 7 years. To excersie the privilages of it however you have to do an annual renewal flight test.
Hope thats of some help.
Once you've passed the 14 atpl's, you have 3 years to complete the CPL and IR. If you fail to complete the IR within those 3 years then you will lose the ATPL privilages. There is no option but to do all 14 exams again.
Assuming you complete everything within the 3 years then you need to keep(to keep the frozen atpl current) the IR valid, or again, you will lose all 14 atpl privilages. To keep the IR valid you have to renew it every year 7 years. To excersie the privilages of it however you have to do an annual renewal flight test.
Hope thats of some help.
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Yep, you have to apply to renew it every 7 years. Bare in mind though to excersise the privilages of the IR, you have to do an annual test. For the purposes of any job application, you really need to make sure its current and your up to speed, as IR skills deteriote quite quickly. Any Type Rating course will also require you to have the IR current.
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It can be pricey, depending on which year it is. The first renewal can be done in the sim but the second renewal must be done in the actual aircraft. It alternates annualy thereafter. Sim time(£100 to 150 and hour) is obviously significantly cheaper than a multi piston at £350 to £400 an hour!!
There is also the examiner fee to add to the cost. Some charge more than others but roughly £150 to £200 as a ballpark fee. The aircaft or sim hire, is obviously on top of that.
There is also the examiner fee to add to the cost. Some charge more than others but roughly £150 to £200 as a ballpark fee. The aircaft or sim hire, is obviously on top of that.
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Hi All,
Thanks for all the comments, including the bitchy ones, they're breaking up another dull day in the office
I think I need to plump for the ATPL exams - if the additional work is only marginal, relatively speaking, then I might as well go for that. To clarify, I wondered if it was possible to take the additional exams (on top of the CPL ones) but Whirls has cleared that up - they are completely different.
Right, Class 1 medical checkup here I come. Fingers crossed....
Tim
Thanks for all the comments, including the bitchy ones, they're breaking up another dull day in the office
I think I need to plump for the ATPL exams - if the additional work is only marginal, relatively speaking, then I might as well go for that. To clarify, I wondered if it was possible to take the additional exams (on top of the CPL ones) but Whirls has cleared that up - they are completely different.
Right, Class 1 medical checkup here I come. Fingers crossed....
Tim
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What ADDITIONAL exams do you think he was tlkin about then????!!!!!!
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according to LASORS, yes you will be able to "top up" the exams as JohnGV says. however the CAA's idea of top up is to reduce the minimum classroom hours you need down to about 350 or 200 hours and credit you the IFR/ VFR comms exam if you have got a cpl/IR already. all the other exams will have to be done (all 12 of them). if you only have a cpl and want to get an IR for an ATPL, they will reduce hours and credit you VFR comms only.
in essence, wirlygig ir correct.
in essence, wirlygig ir correct.
