Ormond Beach.
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Ormond Beach.
Ormond Beach.
Can anyone clarify what is going on in Ormond Beach? I understand there has been a serious acccident and the Cessna fleet has been grounded by the FAA. Is this correct, and if so, why?
Grounding a Cessna fleet seems very drastic action!
Can anyone clarify what is going on in Ormond Beach? I understand there has been a serious acccident and the Cessna fleet has been grounded by the FAA. Is this correct, and if so, why?
Grounding a Cessna fleet seems very drastic action!
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Here is a link to a plane down in the golf club next to KOMN (which incidentally does a fantastic BLT) yesterday as has been reported up there by MIKECR. Nothing major, doesn't say if it is OBA or not, one taken to hospital as a precaution.
I don't think the FAA would ground the whole cessna fleet based on one EFATO though... and don't forget they have a load of Cadets they just got that you could go on even if that is the case.
I don't think the FAA would ground the whole cessna fleet based on one EFATO though... and don't forget they have a load of Cadets they just got that you could go on even if that is the case.
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Surely it can't be possible. Grounding their Cessna fleet, having already grounded the Liberty fleet.
I think Chinese wispers have turned an accident following a few days of non flying due hurricane, in to this.
I honestly don't think anyone would ground them on safety grounds apart from a major storm.
I think Chinese wispers have turned an accident following a few days of non flying due hurricane, in to this.
I honestly don't think anyone would ground them on safety grounds apart from a major storm.
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As far as i'm aware none of the fleet have been grounded. A friend of mine is currently at OBA
I flew the 152 earlier this year, along with most of the 150's there. All i can say is that they are a bit tatty but all done the job.
I flew the 152 earlier this year, along with most of the 150's there. All i can say is that they are a bit tatty but all done the job.
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A bit tatty is an under statement they are tired old dogs that need to be put down. I have nothing against OBA but they could do with getting a new fleet. OBA is very lucky that they had instructors on the last two planes that went down. It is only a matter of time befor it happens to a student that mite not be able to deal with the problem. Givein the amount of students that go tru the place you would think it would be in the owners best intrests to give his students the best equipment he can.
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Sorry To Disappoint The Knockers
1. OBA did have a brand new fleet of Libertys which were grounded by OBA early this year because of persistent manufacturing/quality 'problems' (see earlier threads).
2. FAA have been conducting a massive investigation into all (i.e. not just those at OBA) alleged Liberty problems and rumour is they will be reporting shortly. Presume that there are some major claims from Liberty owners so you can bet that none of them inc. OBA will comment until FAA report.
3. Recent 'crash' seems minor and, with the huge number of hours and students at OBA, the incident rate is probably less and OBA safer than 'average' FTO.
2. FAA have been conducting a massive investigation into all (i.e. not just those at OBA) alleged Liberty problems and rumour is they will be reporting shortly. Presume that there are some major claims from Liberty owners so you can bet that none of them inc. OBA will comment until FAA report.
3. Recent 'crash' seems minor and, with the huge number of hours and students at OBA, the incident rate is probably less and OBA safer than 'average' FTO.
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Not Interested
Good point (and applies equally to numerous other Wannabe 'queries' such as how much do ABC Flying School charge for....) but wasted on many who are:
Crash Spotters
OBA Knockers
Simple Nutters
The above are not usually interested in facts.
Crash Spotters
OBA Knockers
Simple Nutters
The above are not usually interested in facts.
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Just back from OBA, got my ppl and quite happy overall. I started on the C150, lasted approx 9 hours and then changed over to the PA28, the main reason was the fact that they are old, instruments do not work, and engines have some serious internal problems that in my opinion contributed to the I-95 LANDING, emergency landing in Pladka Airport, and the golf course crash. All of the above incidents/accident suffered internal failures of some sort. Fuel contamination is suspected for the last accident but the fact that the aircraft flew for an hour before is strange and also that both student and instructor took a number of fuel samples during the PF. I enjoyed my training at OBA, but they seriously need to work on their management team, we are the customers who have paid hard earned money to be there and we are entitled to a quality service- speaking for myself and alot others-we did not get that. I personally will not return to OBA for further training, but that is my situation. On a brighter note the PA28 are a fantastic aircraft and a beautiful aircraft o fly. C150 are currently still flying as i left this week-but unless all engines are over-hauled or changed- I can seriously see a domino effect of what has previously happened(remember-these problems are non-detectable during 100hr inspection according to SF).
Safe Flying
Safe Flying
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DCarroll - when did you go there? I was there in Feb/Mar. Agree with you 100% The place is like a sausage factory. However, it is cheap. Not sure if it failed to meet my expectations as they were not high to start with.
As for going back there for CPL etc. I think I'll look elsewhere cos the focus is on PPL's and the attention to detail required for CPL students just ain't enough from what I've heard.
What with the forthcoming changes to visas and the changes and expectations re licencing in Europe, I think OBA will have a difficult future other than for hour building.
As for going back there for CPL etc. I think I'll look elsewhere cos the focus is on PPL's and the attention to detail required for CPL students just ain't enough from what I've heard.
What with the forthcoming changes to visas and the changes and expectations re licencing in Europe, I think OBA will have a difficult future other than for hour building.