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Keep doing what your doing and FAB will go far.....one of the best schools in the North IMO!!! People/organisations hate to see others go one better and they only display their jeaslously/greed/frustrations here. 
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Hi All,
Is there a limit on the number of people that can join a no equity group for a given aircraft with AGL?
What is availabilty of the aircraft like? From what I've read it seems AGL offer really good prices and have good aircraft. Is there anyone using the C152 out of Barton?
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Rehan
Is there a limit on the number of people that can join a no equity group for a given aircraft with AGL?
What is availabilty of the aircraft like? From what I've read it seems AGL offer really good prices and have good aircraft. Is there anyone using the C152 out of Barton?
Thanks,
Rehan
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TRAITOR
Hey whats with the ex air 2 bob captain WTP?
he was seen drinking outside an Airport pub on Friday with a group of guys including RM and IDB and then went round to FAB!
Feet in both camps or what?
The rumours are interesting though!
he was seen drinking outside an Airport pub on Friday with a group of guys including RM and IDB and then went round to FAB!
Feet in both camps or what?
The rumours are interesting though!
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Just to add a bit of balance to what seems a pretty petty thread. I looked at this group a while ago. I decided against joining as though an employee/employer states here that the groups are limited to 20, the same aircraft are used by the school so really it's unlimited. Also, from what I could make out the school takes priority over the group members, so if you're in one of the groups away form B'pool and they need your aircraft, you could get left high and dry with nothing to fly for weeks. Effectively you're subsidising school operations. The claims on the website about the fitout of the aircraft were also incorrect. If there is a 'scam', this is it, though I doubt it makes them any different to other operators. There is someone on here who does leasing - that seems to be a very good deal. Myself I went the US route and though people will drawl on about drilling holes in the sky, hour building is what you make of it and how you challenge yourself, so it doesn't matter where you do it, it's how you do it 
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Not a bad post but the balance of which you speak is based on conjecture and hypotheitical circumstances.
yes the aircraft are used by the school but availability is not now nor has it ever been an issue . You are in a no equity share group if the aircarft is avail then use it if it isnt you dont , this would be the same if you had a ten grand share in a pa28. "From what you could make out" so basically "conjecture" the school does not take priority at all bookings are made on availability of the aircraft , bookings are never taken from group members to fulfill other requirements .
Aircraft are not brought over from barton or durham to be used at blackpool to the detriment of other members . It does not work that way . perhaps if you had asked rather than making stuff up you would have been told this . The only time they would me brought away from their home base is for maintenance , fact of life A/c need maintenance. In actual fact group members often get free transit flights if they bring the aircaraft over for said maintenance.
Which aircarft fit are you debating ??? out of interest . all our aircraft havea good fit and all are Garmin 430/530 equipped (those that arent fully glass ), if you had seen these aircarft without what they stated did you bring it to the the attention of the person who showed you????? or are you making this out again.
All our aircarft are available to view by anyone who wishes to use us , if there are discrepancies on the website with the aircraft please inform us of this , there is certainly no intent to scam b ut please do this at the time with whomever shows you the aircraft not come on a site and subtely slag off a good operation
yes the aircraft are used by the school but availability is not now nor has it ever been an issue . You are in a no equity share group if the aircarft is avail then use it if it isnt you dont , this would be the same if you had a ten grand share in a pa28. "From what you could make out" so basically "conjecture" the school does not take priority at all bookings are made on availability of the aircraft , bookings are never taken from group members to fulfill other requirements .
Aircraft are not brought over from barton or durham to be used at blackpool to the detriment of other members . It does not work that way . perhaps if you had asked rather than making stuff up you would have been told this . The only time they would me brought away from their home base is for maintenance , fact of life A/c need maintenance. In actual fact group members often get free transit flights if they bring the aircaraft over for said maintenance.
Which aircarft fit are you debating ??? out of interest . all our aircraft havea good fit and all are Garmin 430/530 equipped (those that arent fully glass ), if you had seen these aircarft without what they stated did you bring it to the the attention of the person who showed you????? or are you making this out again.
All our aircarft are available to view by anyone who wishes to use us , if there are discrepancies on the website with the aircraft please inform us of this , there is certainly no intent to scam b ut please do this at the time with whomever shows you the aircraft not come on a site and subtely slag off a good operation
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Sorry but your talking absolute b******k's. I had first hand experience that FAB/ACG had the most advanced avionics I had witnessed. All aircraft had been upgraded to garmin GPS, mode S, VOR/ILS. Also most no equity groups had their own aircraft (possibly with the exception of Blackpool group) so availability was fantastic. Neither did the group/company make any priority over lessons to group members. Sorry but I never saw any hint of a scam. Maybe you hold a grudge? FAB are (IMO) the UK's answer to training instead of going to the USA.
Sorry but your talking absolute b******k's. I had first hand experience that FAB/ACG had the most advanced avionics I had witnessed. All aircraft had been upgraded to garmin GPS, mode S, VOR/ILS. Also most no equity groups had their own aircraft (possibly with the exception of Blackpool group) so availability was fantastic. Neither did the group/company make any priority over lessons to group members. Sorry but I never saw any hint of a scam. Maybe you hold a grudge? FAB are (IMO) the UK's answer to training instead of going to the USA.
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Not quite
I had first hand experience that FAB/ACG had the most advanced avionics I had witnessed. All aircraft had been upgraded to garmin GPS, mode S, VOR/ILS."
Any reason why?
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Don't shoot the messenger
GDF and XL - why are you so confrontational? I am merely expressing my opinion to help a poster above which is what this site is for? I have no grudge nor bias as I am not involved - can you say the same?
Rehan asked about the 152 group and this is what fit I was highlighting. It was the case at the time so please don't be so rude as to say I'm talking b******k's. And please don't say any 152 avionics are the most advanced as no one would expect them to be. I've just checked the website actually and the same info is still there, if they've been upgraded since then my apologies - but I bet you can't confirm they have. My 'conjecture' was based on what I saw in Durham, I wasn't going to try and change an organisation - why would I?
Now I refuse to be drawn any further on such a petty issue when I was trying to help.
Rehan asked about the 152 group and this is what fit I was highlighting. It was the case at the time so please don't be so rude as to say I'm talking b******k's. And please don't say any 152 avionics are the most advanced as no one would expect them to be. I've just checked the website actually and the same info is still there, if they've been upgraded since then my apologies - but I bet you can't confirm they have. My 'conjecture' was based on what I saw in Durham, I wasn't going to try and change an organisation - why would I?
Now I refuse to be drawn any further on such a petty issue when I was trying to help.
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can any CATS students who have been to this blackpool group reading this thread msg me as i need about a 50 h build
i am looking for the group that operate at about £55 per hour wet for a monthly standing order of about £70 if i am right
thanks
i am looking for the group that operate at about £55 per hour wet for a monthly standing order of about £70 if i am right
thanks
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Living in a dream word
Your fuel bill alone for a 108hp lycoming will be £40.00 plus a landing fee of £12.50 and around £49.00 for a 360 lycoming, plus a landing fee of around £15.00.
Insurance and engineering will double this figure.
As a member of a group I can assure you that these a realistic figures
Any business has to show a profit and pay its bills!!!!!!
Insurance and engineering will double this figure.
As a member of a group I can assure you that these a realistic figures
Any business has to show a profit and pay its bills!!!!!!
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DSB , i wasnt being confrontational I wish to know what the discrepancies of which you still speak are ???? you say its on the website ?? have you checked the aircraft what are they??????
all our 152s have Ils and spare vor garmin 430s and mode s Txpndr
you will lose your bet As I can confirm anything you request but you have to tell us what it is you are referring too ? The only reason the responses came back appearing rude is because you di not back up what you say , Have you actually visited FAB ???? It certainly doesnt appear that way in your post ? If you did could you tell us who it was you spoke to and showed you round ?? and did not show you these aircraft ??? As this is what we do when we get potential customers .
As for the chap wishing to do hour building check the website for the exact figures but our 152;s are 45 per hour not sure of the monthly rate but it is on the website , as far as I am aware at the moment no one hour building went through CATS but I may be wrong .
all our 152s have Ils and spare vor garmin 430s and mode s Txpndr
you will lose your bet As I can confirm anything you request but you have to tell us what it is you are referring too ? The only reason the responses came back appearing rude is because you di not back up what you say , Have you actually visited FAB ???? It certainly doesnt appear that way in your post ? If you did could you tell us who it was you spoke to and showed you round ?? and did not show you these aircraft ??? As this is what we do when we get potential customers .
As for the chap wishing to do hour building check the website for the exact figures but our 152;s are 45 per hour not sure of the monthly rate but it is on the website , as far as I am aware at the moment no one hour building went through CATS but I may be wrong .
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Flight Sim & Lookout
The avionics on the C152 outdo, most C152's around and probably a lot of the piper fleet.
Having all these toys is unnecessary and dangerous when learning to fly.
A flight sim computer pilot continuously looks at the flight instruments and is oblivious to what takes place outside. They will never maintain any form off lookout because the have not been taught to do so from the word go. G..d help other airspace users...
So connect up your ADS-B to help prevent other airspace users from banging into you while you play airline pilots.
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Robin, lookout is something that is down to the instructor to teach and should be drummed into the student during training, it matters not what equipment is on board , we train people on sr20's now they have all the equipment you would ever want , but lookout is instilled into them in the same manner as any other aircraft .
Interesting that you bang on about lookout then whine about adb-s to prevent people banging into us , if you are effectively looking out as you preach then you shouldnt be hitting anyone correct?
All our aircraft appear on tcas and SSR what exactly is it you think we are invisible too
Interesting that you bang on about lookout then whine about adb-s to prevent people banging into us , if you are effectively looking out as you preach then you shouldnt be hitting anyone correct?
All our aircraft appear on tcas and SSR what exactly is it you think we are invisible too
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Experience has demonstrated on many occasions anyone who has played with flight sim has never had to incorporate lookout at part of the game.
Once in a real aircraft they are continually looking inside at all the bells and whistles that your aircraft are equipped with.
It is very difficult for then to incorporate lookout however many times it is pointed out to them. This is a fail point on the skill test. Basic equipment is all that is required for basic training.
I am not against modern avionics but they should ideally be restricted to advanced instrument training.
And for all your hot ship crew please bear in mind that below 3000ft clear of cloud in sight in of the surface in 3k or 1500m the maximum speed is 140kts.!!!!!!!!
ADS-B I cannot see you nor can anyone with Garmin equipment.
Only a very limited number of aircraft operate around Blackpool carry TCAS. So a basic service, which is all you can obtain much of the time, is of little use.
Once in a real aircraft they are continually looking inside at all the bells and whistles that your aircraft are equipped with.
It is very difficult for then to incorporate lookout however many times it is pointed out to them. This is a fail point on the skill test. Basic equipment is all that is required for basic training.
I am not against modern avionics but they should ideally be restricted to advanced instrument training.
And for all your hot ship crew please bear in mind that below 3000ft clear of cloud in sight in of the surface in 3k or 1500m the maximum speed is 140kts.!!!!!!!!
ADS-B I cannot see you nor can anyone with Garmin equipment.
Only a very limited number of aircraft operate around Blackpool carry TCAS. So a basic service, which is all you can obtain much of the time, is of little use.
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So lookout then
Our Sr20,s cruise at 120kts
I have met some stupid people but none yet who think that a real aeroplane is a flightsim.
No one is saying that basic equipment is all that is required , the original poster in this issue was enquiring about hour buidling not PPL training , that said the cpl is almost the same so the same caveat applies , basic is all thats needed .
Yes we train on an SR20 with all the bells and whistles that does not mean to say we use them . the instrumentation tells the student the same thing it is just represented differently and ASI is still an ASI as is an AI as is a VSI the student gets used to what they get used to. but whether you set 1023 on a digital altimeter or analogue 3000ft will still be 3000ft and the student will still fly that altitude .
The only negative against flight training in such an aircraft is that the syllabus PPL wiese does not cater for glass cockpits ADC's etc etc.
But for 80 per hour wet wouldnt you wanna fly em
Our Sr20,s cruise at 120kts
I have met some stupid people but none yet who think that a real aeroplane is a flightsim.
No one is saying that basic equipment is all that is required , the original poster in this issue was enquiring about hour buidling not PPL training , that said the cpl is almost the same so the same caveat applies , basic is all thats needed .
Yes we train on an SR20 with all the bells and whistles that does not mean to say we use them . the instrumentation tells the student the same thing it is just represented differently and ASI is still an ASI as is an AI as is a VSI the student gets used to what they get used to. but whether you set 1023 on a digital altimeter or analogue 3000ft will still be 3000ft and the student will still fly that altitude .
The only negative against flight training in such an aircraft is that the syllabus PPL wiese does not cater for glass cockpits ADC's etc etc.
But for 80 per hour wet wouldnt you wanna fly em
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GDF. You need to re-read your threads if you don't think you appear confrontational. And I might add that you're not a very good advertisement for your organisation. Now, the fit you claimed (and still do as this has just been taken from the website) was:
Garmin GNS 430 Colour Moving Map GPS Nav/Com With ILS
Garmin GI 106A With Glideslope
Garmin GMA340 Audio/Marker Panel
Bendix King KX155A 2nd Nav/Com
Bendix King KN 64 DME
Bendix King KR 87 ADF
Garmin GTX 330 Mode S Transponder
The 152 I looked at definitely didn't have a GNS430, a GMA340 or GTX 330. Now that really is enough as I'm sure you're the sort of person who cannot accept when you are wrong. And by the way, looking at your website the 152's are also £55/hr now rather than £45 that you state. Streuth.
Garmin GNS 430 Colour Moving Map GPS Nav/Com With ILS
Garmin GI 106A With Glideslope
Garmin GMA340 Audio/Marker Panel
Bendix King KX155A 2nd Nav/Com
Bendix King KN 64 DME
Bendix King KR 87 ADF
Garmin GTX 330 Mode S Transponder
The 152 I looked at definitely didn't have a GNS430, a GMA340 or GTX 330. Now that really is enough as I'm sure you're the sort of person who cannot accept when you are wrong. And by the way, looking at your website the 152's are also £55/hr now rather than £45 that you state. Streuth.
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Okay lets just say then that when you looked at the aircraft ,if in fact you did , and didnt just look at the pic on the website this equipment wasnt fitted , I can assure you it now is and has been for some considerable time.
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As part of the C152 group i can clarify with GDF. The aircraft are top notch in my opinion and perfect for their purpose. Desertstrip basher, seems to me your just looking for an argument. Whats the point?
Although, I do agree with you that this thread has turned pretty petty overall.
Suprised a MOD has let this carry on.
Although, I do agree with you that this thread has turned pretty petty overall.
Suprised a MOD has let this carry on.