Reduced employment opportunities with criminal blemish.

[THE WELSH WIZARD]

Grammer!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought this thread, was all about his criminal record not his spelling people!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET A GRIP


Maty i beleive, when one has been cautioned/charged for an offence it is automatically listed on file for ever,i am affraid to state.!!

Just try get some leagal advise as stated above, in last replies.

Good luck sir.


TWW

[MIKECR]

TWW,

Not true. It depends whether you are CONVICTED or not. Just because you are cautioned and charged, does not mean you have a record. When someone is charged, it means they are being reported to the prosecution service for consideration of criminal proceedings. If it should subsequently reach court proceedings and you are found guilty, then you are convicted. A record will be held for life.

[THE WELSH WIZARD]

Mikecr

I stand corrected ,if i am wrong about this.

I was under the impression that if you have had any dealings with the law, convicted or not it is always logged "ie when a CRB check is done" ?

Regards

TWW

[Denning]

Guys

The police hand out cautions not judges. A caution is if a police officer things you have broken the law but for what ever reason has exercised his/her discretion to merely caution you rather than charge you. No charge, no court, you go home.

If you are charged by a police officer, you go to court. In court you are either convicted (ie found guilty or you plead guilty) or you are found not -guility. If you are convicted, the judge then sentences you. He/she can choose whether or not to record a conviction as part of your punishement. See my previous post for the rest.

It is a really important point, especially as the police are getting more and more pressured to compete thier paper work and keep up with their 'targets'.

Only if you are convicted IN COURT IN FRONT OF A JUDGE and the judge records a conviction, will it become relevant for a prospective employer.
Any other way and anyone who had the misfortune to get on the wrong side of police officer would be at a severe disadvatage job wise in the future. It would be a shame to lose out on a job by being overly honest and declaring things you are not legally required to declare.

Denning

[MIKECR]

TWW,

Yes you are wrong im afraid. I was a member of the constabulary for 12 years!

[HomerJay]

This ex 737 training capt must have binned hundreds of applications and CVs when the candidate just couldn't be bothered to check spellings, grammar etc. Either attention to detail matters to you..or it doesn't! If you can't pay attention to your grammar, why would I believe that you'd be any better with fuel calcs or load-sheets? Sorry guys, like it or not, you are in a fiercely competitive environment, times are tough and they're going to get much,much tougher! Cheers bm

This is a thread on a forum on the internet, its not a job application. I don't understand why this happens so much on here. I check a CV a hundred times before I apply for a job, I don't check internet posts as much. I think most people are the same.

[bluenose81huskys]

For those who are still not sure, here is a list of unspent convictions which would prohibit issue of an Airside security pass:


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Disqualifying criteria

1. OFFENCES AGAINST THE PERSON

Offences against the Person Act 1861
Child Abduction Act 1984
Administering chloroform
Administering poison so as to endanger life
Administering poison
Assault occasioning actual bodily harm
Assault on police
Racially or religiously aggravated actual bodily harm
Attempting to choke
Affray
Causing bodily injury by explosives
Child Abduction
Child destruction
Cruelty to person under 16
Endanger safety of an aircraft
Endangering safety of railway passengers
False imprisonment
Ill-treatment of mental patients
Kidnapping
Manslaughter
Murder
Attempted Murder
Sending explosive substance with intent
Soliciting to murder
Threats to kill
Unlawful wounding/inflicting grievous bodily harm
Wounding/causing grievous bodily harm with intent.

2. THEFT/DISHONESTY

Theft Acts 1968 and 1978
Aggravated burglary
Aggravated vehicle taking
Assault with intent to rob
Blackmail
Burglary (entering and stealing etc)
Burglary (entering with intent)
Company director publishing false statement
Forgery of Passport
Dishonestly retaining a wrongful credit
Dishonest representation for obtaining benefit etc
Evasion of liability by deception
False accounting (making false entry etc)
False accounting (omission of material particular)
False accounting (furnishing false information)
Going equipped for burglary etc
Handling stolen goods (receiving)
Handling stolen goods (undertaking or assisting the retention etc)
Making off without payment
Obtaining a money transfer by deception
Obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception
Obtaining property by deception
Obtaining services by deception
Procuring the execution of a valuable security by deception
Removing article from place open to public
Robbery
Taking conveyance without authority
Theft (from a person, a dwelling, automatic machine or meter, from mail, by an employee, from shop, from or of a vehicle).

3. SEXUAL OFFENCES

Sexual Offences Acts 1956 to 1992
Abduction of unmarried girl under 16 from parent or guardian
Abduction of unmarried girl under 18 from parent or guardian
Abduction of woman by force or for sake of her property
Assault with intent to commit buggery
Detention of woman against her will for unlawful sexual intercourse (or in a brothel)
Indecency with a child
Indecent assault on a female
Indecent assault on a male
Living on earnings of prostitution
Procuration of intercourse by false pretences
Procuration of woman to become prostitute
Attempted Rape
Rape
Exploitation of prostitution
Trafficking
Preparatory offences
Offences outside the UK.

4. HARMFUL OR DANGEROUS DRUGS

Misuse of Drugs Act 1971
Misuse of Drugs Regulations 1985
The Criminal Justice Act 1990
Drug Trafficking Act 1994
Being concerned in production of a controlled drug
Being concerned in supply of a controlled drug
Possessing a Class A controlled drug
Possessing a controlled drug with intent
Producing a controlled drug
Supplying a controlled drug
Import or export of controlled drugs
Concealing or transferring the proceeds of drug trafficking
Assisting another person to retain the benefit of drug trafficking
Acquisition, possession or use of proceeds of drug trafficking
Failure to disclose knowledge or suspicion of money laundering.

5. CRIMINAL DAMAGE

Criminal Damage Act 1971
Destroying or damaging property (including Arson)
Threats to destroy or damage property
Possessing anything with intent to destroy or damage property
Explosive Substances Act 1883
Causing explosion likely to endanger life or property
Attempt to cause explosion, or making or keeping explosive with intent to endanger life or property
Conspiracy to cause an explosion
Making or possession of explosive
Burning, maiming, etc. by explosion.

6. TERRORISM

Anti Terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001
Prevention of Terrorism Act 1989

7. AVIATION

Protection of Aircraft Act 1973
Aviation Security Act 1982 (as amended)

8. MARITIME

Aviation and Maritime Security Act 1990

9. CHANNEL TUNNEL

Channel Tunnel Security Order 1994

10. RAILWAYS

Railways Act 1993

11. FIREARMS

Firearms Act 1968

Possession of a firearm without a certificate
Non-compliance with condition of firearm certificate
Possession of a shotgun without certficate
Non-compliance with condition of shotgun certificate
Trading in firearms without being registered as a firearms dealer
Selling firearm to person without a certificate
Repairing, testing, etc. firearm for person without a certificate
Falsifying certificate, etc with view to acquisition of firearm
Shortening a shotgun or other smooth bore gun
Possessing or distributing prohibited weapons or ammunition
The sale, acquisition and possession or carrying of firearms
Possessing firearm or imitation firearm with intent to commit an indictable offence, or resist arrest, etc.
Possessing firearm or imitation firearm with intent to endanger life
Possessing firearm or imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence
Carrying loaded firearm, shotgun, loaded air weapon or any other firearm in public place
Trespassing with firearms in a building
Possession of firearms by persons previously convicted of crime
Supplying firearms to persons denied them under S21 Firearms Act .

12. IMMIGRATION

Immigration Act 1971

Assisting illegal entry and harbouring
Assisting entry of an asylum claimant

Carrying out arrangements for securing or facilitating the obtaining of leave to remain in the UK by means believing to include deception.

13. EVASION OF LIABILITY/BAIL OFFENCES

Customs and Excise Act 1979

Failure to submit to bail
Evasion of any duty chargeable on goods
Evasion of any provision of the Customs and Access Act applicable to goods.

14. BOMB THREATS AND BOMB HOAXES

Criminal Law Act 1977
Criminal Law Act 1997

Placing or dispatching articles to cause bomb hoax
Communicating false information alleging the presence of bombs.

15. OFFENSIVE WEAPONS

Prevention of Crime Act 1953
The Criminal Justice Act 1988 (s139 & s141)
The Offensive Weapons Act 1996
The Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959
The Knives Act 1997

Possession of offensive weapon (in a public place) without lawful authority or reasonable excuse
Having an article with a blade or point in a public place
Having an article with a blade or point on school premises
Manufacture and distribution of flick knives and gravity knives.

16. PROTECTION OF CHILDREN AND VULNERABLE ADULTS

Protection of Children Act 1978
Sexual Offences Act 2003

Taking indecent photograph or pseudo photograph of children
Child sex offences
Abuse of position of trust
Familial child sex offences
Offences against persons with a mental disorder
Inducements etc. to persons with mental disorder
Abuse of children through prostitution and pornography

17. MILITARY OFFENCES

Any unspent conviction for an offence listed in the previous categories but dealt with by a military court will be a disqualifying offence. In addition, the following military offences are also a disqualifying offence:

Army and Air Force Acts 1952 (S24, S25 & S31)
Naval Discipline Act 1957 (S2, S3, S8 & S9)
Assisting the enemy
Looting
Mutiny

Note: The equivalent offences in Northern Ireland and Scotland for the above disqualifying criteria also apply.

The classifications defined here include attempting, conspiring, inciting, aiding, abetting, causing or permitting a crime. In certain cases they are detailed separately (e.g. attempted murder).

It should also be noted that not all offences are listed. For example, many weapons are covered by the legislation relating to offensive weapons. These have not been listed individually. Similarly, offences against the person include racially and religiously motivated incidents, although not individually stated.

Offences covered under legislation relating to Terrorism and Aviation Security have not been listed separately as they are to be applied in full.

Q: Where can I get independent/confidential advice?


A: Apex Trust can offer independent/confidential advice and information to enquirers covering a range of issues that affect ex-offenders including when a conviction becomes spent in line with the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act and disclosure advice. They are open Monday- Friday 10am - 5 pm and can be contacted on 0870 6084567.

Bluenose

[Blindside]

How you write something is sometimes more important than what you write. If that makes any sense at all

I appreciate that this as not what the thread is about but surely you have to learn to play the game?

It is naive in the extreme to underestimate how important it is to present yourself well, especially on this forum, if you are considering a job in aviation. You have the opportunity through PPRuNe to present/promote yourself to more potentially influential people than you can imagine. Therefore, making sure you express yourself correctly matters. If you do not understand that then you may struggle. Isn't it common sense?

If I was a wannabe I would take on board the views of people that hold/have held jobs that could affect my future career prospects. It is fantastic advice and it costs you nothing, ignoring it could cost you an important break. Throwing it back in someones face is frankly lunacy. You don't always get your breaks through traditional channels, I didn't. I bet there's more than one person who got their first/next job due to how they presented themself on this bulletin board. There will be many more who perhaps never realised how destructive their attitude was, how they were perceived and the opportunities it cost them.

Of course you can always ignore the advice or insult someone e.g. by calling someone a nob. However, if I was considering aviation as a career I would be trying to understand what is important to training captains/recruiters and their like as these are the type of people I would be wanting to impress. If spelling/grammar mattered to them it would matter to me and I would make sure that any time there was the potential for someone with influence to take a view of me, I would try to make it a positive one. It costs you nothing but a little bit of time.

2 influential people have taken time out of their lives to give you advice for nothing, they won't gain from this at all. How are they rewarded? So how likely are they to help wannabes again? I'd say less than before. Well done people, talk about shooting yourselves in the foot.

[cirruscrystal]

Boeing Mel - I think it might be a generation thing maybe?

CRIMINAL RECORDS, depends what profession, Doctors + Teachers etc.. Record is never spent and must always be declared.
I am not sure what the regs are in aviation, worst case you might need to declare and i suppose then it might result in the bin pile if unlucky.

rite properly you cupid stunt, its not a fone

*neva no who might reed it*

[THE WELSH WIZARD]

Mikecr

Then i do stand corrected, if you say you were a law man.

Regards

TWW

[Lost man standing]

Surely when asking for advice and help from professionals about an important issue it is simple courtesy to write properly.

Making the post clear, easy to read and understand and if possible unambiguous is only polite in any post, more so when asking a favour of readers, in the form of advice, in an international forum. Trying to use language as correctly as he is able is the easiest way for DennisRB to achieve that aim. I credited him with some courtesy, so assumed he was trying to write correctly.

If the career is so unimportant that he can't be bothered to do so, then I would question why DennisRB is trying to get into such a tough business.

[DennisRB]

Thanks for the info guys....

This is an internet forum. I can't recall submitting an application or CV for any of you to criticize. Implying that I would present the same attention to detail for fuel calcs or load-sheets as I would posting on an internet forum is ridiculous.

If someone cared about me enough to give kind advice on the presentation of my posts, they would not have gone about it in the way LMS did. I'm a new member here and assumed people would be as relaxed as the other forums I post on. I was wrong.

It is possible to express your opinion without publicly belittling someone, and foolish to think that doing so won't get a defensive reply. It is even more foolish to expect gratitude.

I have only ever worked as a tradesman which has never required me to engage in much academic activity other than electrical theory. Writing is not something I usually do, and is certainly not something I have done much of in the past. I am trying much harder now, but I'm sure there would still be plenty of mistakes for LMS to pick on.

I realize that for me make it as a pilot, I will need to become skilled in many areas I am currently not skilled in. I am sure that 3 years of university will give me plenty of time to hone my written English skills.

I went to a university open day on the weekend and was told I need an ASIC card to be a pilot (Aviation Security Identification Card). I found a list of requirements needed for obtaining an ASIC card on the net. Link here.
Fact Sheet: Aviation Security Identification Cards (ASICs)

According to this I should meet the requirements. This is a good start anyhow.

Dennis.