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What is the current full integrated price at oxford?
WQ, I'd say 250 a month is enough to live off. budget 300-600 for accommodation it can vary quite a bit.
As for the whole integrated-modular debate, one of the top 'newbie' recruiters showed a list of where they get their pilots from the other day and modular students were right at the bottom....
WQ, I'd say 250 a month is enough to live off. budget 300-600 for accommodation it can vary quite a bit.
As for the whole integrated-modular debate, one of the top 'newbie' recruiters showed a list of where they get their pilots from the other day and modular students were right at the bottom....
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The modular route will change so much that there will be little change in the overall costs.
JAA regulators will be imposing changes soon, one of which is that any person training another for a particular type of licence must themselves hold a licence approved by that regulatory body i.e. an FAA instructor will not be allowed to train a student for a JAA licence without holding one him / herself
If you think we are rich think again, my wife and I were prepared to help finance our son's dream even if it meant reducing our standard of living.
He is paying us / the mortgage back, and yes he is SSTR also included in the mortgage.
I never doubted his motivation, so putting up the money was a risk we were prepared to take, and the results have proved the trust.
Integrated is the better way to go, and if you talk to recruiters they prefer that route in those with less than 500 hours.
The modular route will change so much that there will be little change in the overall costs.
JAA regulators will be imposing changes soon, one of which is that any person training another for a particular type of licence must themselves hold a licence approved by that regulatory body i.e. an FAA instructor will not be allowed to train a student for a JAA licence without holding one him / herself
If you think we are rich think again, my wife and I were prepared to help finance our son's dream even if it meant reducing our standard of living.
He is paying us / the mortgage back, and yes he is SSTR also included in the mortgage.
I never doubted his motivation, so putting up the money was a risk we were prepared to take, and the results have proved the trust.
Integrated is the better way to go, and if you talk to recruiters they prefer that route in those with less than 500 hours.
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I wasnt questioning your finances. You stated that you think integrated training costs will rise to 90k by 2010, so I was simply asking or even commenting as to how people will come by that sort of money in the future. Training costs have become ridiculously expensive and by all accounts will continue to rise.
Whether indegrated is the better route is open to debate.
I wasnt questioning your finances. You stated that you think integrated training costs will rise to 90k by 2010, so I was simply asking or even commenting as to how people will come by that sort of money in the future. Training costs have become ridiculously expensive and by all accounts will continue to rise.
Whether indegrated is the better route is open to debate.
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The modular route will change so much that there will be little change in the overall costs.
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Berksflyer,
I think you missed Night_FR8's point.
Yes, many modular students train at one or two schools, but many of them are in the States using FAA instructors. Once these must obtain JAA ratings, the cost of delivering modular will go up a good bit.
It will also drive cost of Integrated upward, but most of the integrated schools have half or more JAA rated instructors already and they also have the ability to provide the conversion training in house at cost.
I wonder how many modular FTO's in the States will pay for conversion for their instructors. How many instructors will foot the £10K bill themselves just to keep instructing at low salaries?
I think you missed Night_FR8's point.
Yes, many modular students train at one or two schools, but many of them are in the States using FAA instructors. Once these must obtain JAA ratings, the cost of delivering modular will go up a good bit.
It will also drive cost of Integrated upward, but most of the integrated schools have half or more JAA rated instructors already and they also have the ability to provide the conversion training in house at cost.
I wonder how many modular FTO's in the States will pay for conversion for their instructors. How many instructors will foot the £10K bill themselves just to keep instructing at low salaries?
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The suggestion from EASA is that by the time this is implemented there should exist licencing reciprocity between FAA & the EASA states - i.e. an FAA CPL holder would be entitled to an EASA CPL in much the same way as PPL's are currently.
Hence, it should be no more than a paperwork exercise.
JAA regulators will be imposing changes soon, one of which is that any person training another for a particular type of licence must themselves hold a licence approved by that regulatory body i.e. an FAA instructor will not be allowed to train a student for a JAA licence without holding one him / herself
Hence, it should be no more than a paperwork exercise.
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Under the EASA proposals instructors need to hold a JAA license, not just an FI rating on an FAA license. The FAA have point blank refused to consider licensing reciprocity. In addition, although existing JAA rated instructors will be allowed to continue, the grandfather rights will apply to the instructors themselves, not the FTO, so, although the FTOs training in the US will be OK initially it will be a growing problem for them.
Last edited by Alex Whittingham; 10th Jul 2008 at 08:52. Reason: edited to correct my punctuation
