I don't like steep turns i feel funny - help.
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Know where your coming from !
My instructor is into acrobatics, he's pulled some kewl stuff with me, the first time he did a 60 degree turn with constant 2G my head well went out, 45 degree turns where not the most comfortable things.
The 45 turns got much better after I had got used to them and when I started doing them I was fine.
I actually love doing 45's now so much more fun, though I have been told off for doing them on downwind to base eeek.
on the 60's it was just a matter of the more of them you do the calmer it will feel. In the first ones it felt like I was 90 degrees to the ground lol he also does some wing over maneuvers, but again after done a few they just ended us good fun.
When I was doing my PPL I learnt from my instructor teaching me but also watching what he does and how he handles the plane.
Question for anyone: do you ever get taught 60 turns and wing overs etc, if so is it cpl stuff ?
Ian
My instructor is into acrobatics, he's pulled some kewl stuff with me, the first time he did a 60 degree turn with constant 2G my head well went out, 45 degree turns where not the most comfortable things.
The 45 turns got much better after I had got used to them and when I started doing them I was fine.
I actually love doing 45's now so much more fun, though I have been told off for doing them on downwind to base eeek.
on the 60's it was just a matter of the more of them you do the calmer it will feel. In the first ones it felt like I was 90 degrees to the ground lol he also does some wing over maneuvers, but again after done a few they just ended us good fun.
When I was doing my PPL I learnt from my instructor teaching me but also watching what he does and how he handles the plane.
Question for anyone: do you ever get taught 60 turns and wing overs etc, if so is it cpl stuff ?
Ian
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I suggest a change in instructors.
It is not big and cool to do steep turns without warning or briefing a student.
Every action on an instruction flight should have a benefit to the student and a "I have control" then throw the machine into a steep turn has no instruction benefit at all. In fact it is gash.
In a ppl I used to be hands on the controls for less than 30 mins in the whole of the ppl course. If there is no safety reason to be hands on the student should be flying. Even if you want to reposition the aircraft onto a heading there is still benefit in the student doing it. Apart from the fact that doing it by a steep turn knocks the student out of the learning groove you are also stealing thier flying time.
Also it gives the student the idea that it is pefectly acceptable to throw an aggressive turn without checking thier 6. Which 99% of the time you will get away with until one day you swing it right into the path of another aircraft.
It is not big and cool to do steep turns without warning or briefing a student.
Every action on an instruction flight should have a benefit to the student and a "I have control" then throw the machine into a steep turn has no instruction benefit at all. In fact it is gash.
In a ppl I used to be hands on the controls for less than 30 mins in the whole of the ppl course. If there is no safety reason to be hands on the student should be flying. Even if you want to reposition the aircraft onto a heading there is still benefit in the student doing it. Apart from the fact that doing it by a steep turn knocks the student out of the learning groove you are also stealing thier flying time.
Also it gives the student the idea that it is pefectly acceptable to throw an aggressive turn without checking thier 6. Which 99% of the time you will get away with until one day you swing it right into the path of another aircraft.
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in which country did you bye your medical?Stop aviation stay away... you will have no IFR,and then imagine....,except if you're flying those modern aircraft like the most of the young "Top Guns" on this site are doing...
I give you and advise, Have a chat with the "old guys" who have the real experience,not this new generation that thinks that knows everything but...scarry.
I'm not one of these "old guys" only 40,but they teached me a lot...A lot of respect.
Wish you good luck,
707
I give you and advise, Have a chat with the "old guys" who have the real experience,not this new generation that thinks that knows everything but...scarry.
I'm not one of these "old guys" only 40,but they teached me a lot...A lot of respect.
Wish you good luck,
707
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What utter bollocks with "stay away from aviation"
Motion sickness/vertigo can happen to the best of us. And getting a sudden roll and G pulled when your not expecting possibly eyes down can throw most of us until we get used to it.
If they grounded every commercial pilot who wanted to spew after not being quick enough to get their heads down when the Examiner slews the sim there wouldn't be a problem with wannabies getting a job.
Motion sickness/vertigo can happen to the best of us. And getting a sudden roll and G pulled when your not expecting possibly eyes down can throw most of us until we get used to it.
If they grounded every commercial pilot who wanted to spew after not being quick enough to get their heads down when the Examiner slews the sim there wouldn't be a problem with wannabies getting a job.
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I Quite Agree With Mj, In My Opinion
Give Your Instructor A Slap And Tell Him/her Everyone Has To Learn Some Where, And Not Freighten Strudents Away.
Good Luck (if That Fails Find A New Instructor)
Ww
Give Your Instructor A Slap And Tell Him/her Everyone Has To Learn Some Where, And Not Freighten Strudents Away.
Good Luck (if That Fails Find A New Instructor)
Ww
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CAA & FAA PPL steep turns are tested at 45 degrees angle of bank. Remind your FI this and politely ask him to demonstrate no more than 45 degrees AOB. If you allow the nose to drop which results in a loss of altitude and then try to recover with a load of pitch up, it can get a little uncomfortable. If you start losing altitude, ease off the angle of bank and then you'll need less back pressure. Thats' more comfortable than trying to yank it round the turn. Ensure the turn is balanced, keep those feet moving and keep the ball centered. A well executed steep turn should not feel like you're pulling 10g's in an F16.
Whilst the FI is demonstrating the steep turns (he should only need to demo them once or twice), look at the 'picture' of the position of the nose, relative to the horizon for both left and right turns. Glance in at the instruments and then look out. I would suggest at least 2/3 of your time you should be looking out. When your eyes are outside the cockpit, try not to look up at the outboard wing.
Steep turns are a part of your training and will continue to be all the way up to a type rating.
Unfortunately its going to have to be a case of learning to like them.
Whilst the FI is demonstrating the steep turns (he should only need to demo them once or twice), look at the 'picture' of the position of the nose, relative to the horizon for both left and right turns. Glance in at the instruments and then look out. I would suggest at least 2/3 of your time you should be looking out. When your eyes are outside the cockpit, try not to look up at the outboard wing.
Steep turns are a part of your training and will continue to be all the way up to a type rating.
Unfortunately its going to have to be a case of learning to like them.
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the person is not near doing steep turns in thier training.
They have a gash FI who thinks its cool to throw a steep turn in un-briefed without warning and the person gets mucked up.
What a ducking arse hole of a FI, name and shame and get these cowboys to stop teaching.
They have a gash FI who thinks its cool to throw a steep turn in un-briefed without warning and the person gets mucked up.
What a ducking arse hole of a FI, name and shame and get these cowboys to stop teaching.
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The first few times of Stall's, Steep Turns and Spin's do provide some new sensations 
! Stick with it and take a bit more time to get used to it. If things really aren't getting better after many hours then have a chat with your GP or something. Maybe they can shed some light on it before speaking to the CAA AME's.
Good luck fella
Chris
! Stick with it and take a bit more time to get used to it. If things really aren't getting better after many hours then have a chat with your GP or something. Maybe they can shed some light on it before speaking to the CAA AME's.Good luck fella
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Some of you seemed to have missed to point. His original description clearly indicates that a few g were pulled. Dimming vision and feeling the head was going to explode is quite familiar to anyone who ever did any aerobatics. That isn't exactly the correct method of demonstrating a steep turn.
I agree with MadJock. It's the Instructor making a shambles of it. However as Chris_Squire says you soon adapt. You can also use the techniques aerobatic pilots use. Tensing your muscles as if you are constipated works very well. But you really need to be ready for it. (and careful)
I agree with MadJock. It's the Instructor making a shambles of it. However as Chris_Squire says you soon adapt. You can also use the techniques aerobatic pilots use. Tensing your muscles as if you are constipated works very well. But you really need to be ready for it. (and careful)
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Corsair and MJ both make valid points. Your instructor could be overdoing it abit. Although I'm not going to criticize given that im only a PPL about to start ATPL's! 
I know someone else that got queezy doing steep turns and they always found it beneficial to do some nice medium banked turns @ 30 deg then go to 45 deg and move onto the full 60 deg all in one flight. Not sure of the medical reasons why that helped but he said it just eased him into it.
It might help to try and keep yourself busy looking outside for traffic, maintaining the picture throughout the turn and quickly glancing at your instruments to confirm.....god, sorry I sound like a bloody instructor now...im really not but thats a long way of saying try to focus on the job in hand and it may help. Im no expert and I'm sure that's alot easier said than done.
Chris
I know someone else that got queezy doing steep turns and they always found it beneficial to do some nice medium banked turns @ 30 deg then go to 45 deg and move onto the full 60 deg all in one flight. Not sure of the medical reasons why that helped but he said it just eased him into it.
It might help to try and keep yourself busy looking outside for traffic, maintaining the picture throughout the turn and quickly glancing at your instruments to confirm.....god, sorry I sound like a bloody instructor now...im really not but thats a long way of saying try to focus on the job in hand and it may help. Im no expert and I'm sure that's alot easier said than done.
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Don't mean to be negative here! However if you are unable to steep turns then is aviation for you? It is a basic and does not pull many G.
As you progress there are lessons which would possibly pull more G...
In the UAS we regulary pulled 5/6 G.
Maybe it's a case of learning to tense muscles and i was always told to look over my head as we did aerobatics.
As you progress there are lessons which would possibly pull more G...
In the UAS we regulary pulled 5/6 G.
Maybe it's a case of learning to tense muscles and i was always told to look over my head as we did aerobatics.
