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I don't think mod students have a worse time of it that integrated at OAA at all, and I'm really trying think of an occasion when i have been shelved or back burnered in favour of an int student.
As far as the comments "why shouldn't int students be treated better, they pay more", well that would just be bad, bad business practice. If me and a friend buy 2 differently priced items from the same shop, I'd expect the same customer service regardless.
Fact is, once you arrive at OAA and you've already given them your money, whats to stop them treating us ALL like sh1t! You ask them for something, they sort it for you.
I'm a moddy at OAA and have been very, very happy with things. As with any business relationship (which is what it is), it's pretty important to forge decent relationships with staff from the outset, go and say hello for goodness sake, show them a face to the name!
Peace out.
As far as the comments "why shouldn't int students be treated better, they pay more", well that would just be bad, bad business practice. If me and a friend buy 2 differently priced items from the same shop, I'd expect the same customer service regardless.
Fact is, once you arrive at OAA and you've already given them your money, whats to stop them treating us ALL like sh1t! You ask them for something, they sort it for you.
I'm a moddy at OAA and have been very, very happy with things. As with any business relationship (which is what it is), it's pretty important to forge decent relationships with staff from the outset, go and say hello for goodness sake, show them a face to the name!
Peace out.
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listen listen we all know that if you go to an fto that requires uniform than you must go through the motions.In a job for an airline etc you do the exact same you wear it.
HOWEVER in my view wearing of the uniform before you get a job looks silly(even though you wear it).I cannot honestly believe people when they say that its ok.
Its hilarious to see a group of wannabes with gold bars on there shoulders,ray bans,black tie,shiny shoes etc having just finished an hour long pa28 flight learning how to talk to atc.Half of them think there TOP GUN !
If you have to wear than do it however nobody can say that it looks ok in fact it looks funny and
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HOWEVER in my view wearing of the uniform before you get a job looks silly(even though you wear it).I cannot honestly believe people when they say that its ok.
Its hilarious to see a group of wannabes with gold bars on there shoulders,ray bans,black tie,shiny shoes etc having just finished an hour long pa28 flight learning how to talk to atc.Half of them think there TOP GUN !
If you have to wear than do it however nobody can say that it looks ok in fact it looks funny and
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wingo as i said when i start my type rating with someone and they want me to wear a uniform i will no problem.but its still stupid,thick,pretentious, etc etc.i did all my flight training in bloody tracksuits and jeans,t shirts ,shorts etc and im sure im a much better pilot than most TOP GUN guys.
I WILL WEAR A UNIFORM but its silly until your flying with a company.wearing a uniform is NOT silly when you have earned the proper right to, in a company.
Thank you
P.S definition of TOP GUN as per collins dictionary= a prat kitted out WHO ENJOYS IT AND THINKS IT LOOKS COOL WITH F ALL EXPERIENCE
P.S the TOP GUN definition does not apply to guys who think it looks odd but have to do it because of a thick policy
Im really taking the p##s now!come on all you TOP GUNS stand up, you know who you are
I WILL WEAR A UNIFORM but its silly until your flying with a company.wearing a uniform is NOT silly when you have earned the proper right to, in a company.
Thank you
P.S definition of TOP GUN as per collins dictionary= a prat kitted out WHO ENJOYS IT AND THINKS IT LOOKS COOL WITH F ALL EXPERIENCE
P.S the TOP GUN definition does not apply to guys who think it looks odd but have to do it because of a thick policy
Im really taking the p##s now!come on all you TOP GUNS stand up, you know who you are
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Leeds, I'm a military man. I have worn uniform (school or RAF) for the last 37 years. Uniform encourages group identity, team ethos, camaraderie and a sense of pride (albeit the Rayban factor in certain environments). Ryanair, BA, FlyBe, Virgin etc also insist on uniform for the same reasons, although they may use different terminology such as "Brand".
Uniform only "looks funny" to those who do not understand what the wearing of uniform is meant to achieve. I hope we sit together on a flight deck in the future so that you can demonstrate your superior flying skills that were acquired whilst wearing your Armani jeans, Crocs and a stained T-shirt.
PS. Speak with true aviators, such as Polly Vacher and Q Smith, and they will tell you that a bit of Captain play acting gets you a very long way in countries other than the UK.
PPS. I presume you wore uniform at school. Why?
Uniform only "looks funny" to those who do not understand what the wearing of uniform is meant to achieve. I hope we sit together on a flight deck in the future so that you can demonstrate your superior flying skills that were acquired whilst wearing your Armani jeans, Crocs and a stained T-shirt.
PS. Speak with true aviators, such as Polly Vacher and Q Smith, and they will tell you that a bit of Captain play acting gets you a very long way in countries other than the UK.
PPS. I presume you wore uniform at school. Why?
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Now hold on a min wingo, when I did my IR it was summer in Bournemouth, guess what, a friend and I wore bermuda shorts and tee shirts, cheap ones from ASDA so we could bin them when finished. I was a lot more comfortable in them with my trainers and some of the other students followed suit.
Did it affect my performance...
NO First time pass, doing the dreaded Exeter route! Now I drive a B737 NG in Africa and my friend is a BAe146 pilot with lots of hours. SO don't come that holy'er than thou ****.
For my MCC Jeans and trainers again. IR Test and Type Rating, Trousers and shirt. Now when I am in the sim, linen trousers, soft cotton shirt and comfy shoes.
I am sick and tired of knowalls saying you need this that or the other inorder to pass. All you need is the right attitude and if you need clothes to do that then somthing is wrong.
Just to add wing, what is a 'fast jet pilot' as far as I am aware there are no passenger jet's that can do Mach 1 or more any longer.
Did it affect my performance...
NO First time pass, doing the dreaded Exeter route! Now I drive a B737 NG in Africa and my friend is a BAe146 pilot with lots of hours. SO don't come that holy'er than thou ****.
For my MCC Jeans and trainers again. IR Test and Type Rating, Trousers and shirt. Now when I am in the sim, linen trousers, soft cotton shirt and comfy shoes.
I am sick and tired of knowalls saying you need this that or the other inorder to pass. All you need is the right attitude and if you need clothes to do that then somthing is wrong.
Just to add wing, what is a 'fast jet pilot' as far as I am aware there are no passenger jet's that can do Mach 1 or more any longer.
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Lurking your correct in much of what you say.I agree with wearing of the uniform when WORKING. Personally i feel it looks odd when a guy/gal with 1 ppl hour is kitted out from head to toe!
At company stage its fine no problem,then i suppose you have a small right to flaunt it,but not when training im sorry.
Dont get me wrong i like wearing good clothes,but in the right circumstances
At company stage its fine no problem,then i suppose you have a small right to flaunt it,but not when training im sorry.
Dont get me wrong i like wearing good clothes,but in the right circumstances
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Ok Chaps.. sorry for that comment in my previous post.. was just aimed to stir it up a bit really. Of course people should be fairly treated if that is what they say on the tin.
Anyway.
I just DO NOT see the point in certain members GOING ON so strongly about wearing a uniform.. how the students think they are top gun etc etc... when you have DONE your training YOUR way....
If you have got past that stage.. then fine. Why not go and do your job and leave others be... it is just utterly pointless to go on about it.. and the fact you keep going on about it almost seems like you are envious of them getting to wear uniforms - which I am sure is not the case.
I like uniform. I think it is a good way of creating a team spirit. Especially when everyone has one set goal.. but that is personally who I am. If you don't like it.. you can just do it a different way - it is your money at the end of the day!!
Anyway.. a lot of these posts are just coming over as you resenting the people who wear uniform - especially those at OAA. Which just seems silly. If you don't like it.. don't give them your money
Anyway.
I just DO NOT see the point in certain members GOING ON so strongly about wearing a uniform.. how the students think they are top gun etc etc... when you have DONE your training YOUR way....
If you have got past that stage.. then fine. Why not go and do your job and leave others be... it is just utterly pointless to go on about it.. and the fact you keep going on about it almost seems like you are envious of them getting to wear uniforms - which I am sure is not the case.
I like uniform. I think it is a good way of creating a team spirit. Especially when everyone has one set goal.. but that is personally who I am. If you don't like it.. you can just do it a different way - it is your money at the end of the day!!
Anyway.. a lot of these posts are just coming over as you resenting the people who wear uniform - especially those at OAA. Which just seems silly. If you don't like it.. don't give them your money
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Okay so not my last post!!!
1. I never said that I did my IR Test in Shorts.
2. If you look a bit further back in this thread, you will see that for my CPL and MEP I did wear a uniform.
3. I cannot see any reason why you would want to wear one during PPL training, end of.
4. Sorry if I upset you, I have no attitude problem (I can fly straight and level), I am sure you don't have problems either.
5. I never said that it should be forced on anyone.
6. You pays your money and you take your choice.
7. Now can we both please stop this sillyness.
1. I never said that I did my IR Test in Shorts.
2. If you look a bit further back in this thread, you will see that for my CPL and MEP I did wear a uniform.
3. I cannot see any reason why you would want to wear one during PPL training, end of.
4. Sorry if I upset you, I have no attitude problem (I can fly straight and level), I am sure you don't have problems either.
5. I never said that it should be forced on anyone.
6. You pays your money and you take your choice.
7. Now can we both please stop this sillyness.
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Calm down pruners...
Half of you are arguing for the validity of wearing a uniform, fair enough, it may have it's advantages in getting you in a professional mindset, it may not affect you at all.
The other half are saying that a uniform doesn't necessarily make you a better pilot.
You're essentially arguing different points, and if you were to ask the question "Do you believe that wearing a uniform has a direct and measurable effect on the performance of a pilot in training?", almost all of you would say either 'no' or 'depends on the individual'.
Likewise, if you were to ask "Do you understand why FTOs have a uniform?", I bet you would all give the same bloody answer!
Is there any issue you disagree on or are you arguing for different questions?
Half of you are arguing for the validity of wearing a uniform, fair enough, it may have it's advantages in getting you in a professional mindset, it may not affect you at all.
The other half are saying that a uniform doesn't necessarily make you a better pilot.
You're essentially arguing different points, and if you were to ask the question "Do you believe that wearing a uniform has a direct and measurable effect on the performance of a pilot in training?", almost all of you would say either 'no' or 'depends on the individual'.
Likewise, if you were to ask "Do you understand why FTOs have a uniform?", I bet you would all give the same bloody answer!
Is there any issue you disagree on or are you arguing for different questions?
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This is a very entertaining thread. If wearing a uniform during training bothers you, go to a school that doesn't require one.
Where I trained for the CPL/IR, uniforms were optional. Most people chose to wear them, and they looked - and generally acted - more like professional pilots than the students in T-shirts and jeans. The school recommended students to airlines based on their flying ability and professionalism - think about it.
Most importantly, now I'm employed by an airline, I have loads and loads of spare shirts left over from training. Which means I only have to do the washing and ironing every couple of weeks.
Where I trained for the CPL/IR, uniforms were optional. Most people chose to wear them, and they looked - and generally acted - more like professional pilots than the students in T-shirts and jeans. The school recommended students to airlines based on their flying ability and professionalism - think about it.
Most importantly, now I'm employed by an airline, I have loads and loads of spare shirts left over from training. Which means I only have to do the washing and ironing every couple of weeks.
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OAA goodyear is fine, here at the moment (in my uniform) and loving it! Flying when we're supposed to and have not felt the 50 person double course has had any affect at all on a/c availability.
Good show all around and would highly recommend the place. Wouldn't want to be Mod anywhere else. (Oh, except maybe Bristol Flying Centre, set up there is fookin' awesome).
Happy flying (whatever you're wearing)
Good show all around and would highly recommend the place. Wouldn't want to be Mod anywhere else. (Oh, except maybe Bristol Flying Centre, set up there is fookin' awesome).
Happy flying (whatever you're wearing)
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I'm for uniform - I think students should also be made to wear a jacket, hat, i.d. badges, and carry all their belongings in a black case 
On a serious note, I agree with Lurking123. In my non-flying experience, work-rates certainly tend to drop when the dress policy goes from formal to casual.
On a serious note, I agree with Lurking123. In my non-flying experience, work-rates certainly tend to drop when the dress policy goes from formal to casual.
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Womans uniform.
I wonder if you guys can help a friend of mine, he? is having an identity crisis and would like to know if the OAT womans uniform would look OK on him err ........her ?
So perhaps one of you would be kind enough to let him/her have some details of the womans dress code at OAT and help her to find out if Oxford is a place that she would feel comfortable.
So perhaps one of you would be kind enough to let him/her have some details of the womans dress code at OAT and help her to find out if Oxford is a place that she would feel comfortable.
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So you saying leeds 65 that all the FTO's should get rid of the uniform policy? Me personally thinks it does serve a purpose for the reasons people have stated before me. Do think the guys training to eventually becoming fast jet pilots when they have low hours should turn up in jeans and shirt?? I don't think so they also have it for a reason!!
All mil aircrew wear flying coveralls (grow bags) when flying (and most of the time for that matter!) neither do they wear headgear post flight line. I for one spent 4 years in a grow bag and when I wasn't I wore jeans and a shirt! I may have worn my uniform once or twice in this time.
I personally think all aviators should wear grow bags. They are fire retardent and a hell of a lot more comfortable then polyester trousers a shirt and a tie.
A and C, I believe the female cadets at OAA wear stockings, suspenders and a hat. Oh yes and 7 bar gold epaulettes glued to their naked shoulders.
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musty, most military aviators class their grow bags as uniform and are only too quick to ensure they are wearing the right badges.
4 Years? You must of made it out of nappies, just.
Meanwhile, back at the slightly less surreal "downturn on the up" thread........
PS. Wholeheartedly agree on the practicality of a one piece nomex suit with lots of convenient pockets.
4 Years? You must of made it out of nappies, just.
Meanwhile, back at the slightly less surreal "downturn on the up" thread........
PS. Wholeheartedly agree on the practicality of a one piece nomex suit with lots of convenient pockets.
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Lurky, the grow bag was known as "action working dress", although I am just being a pedant.
In 4 years I could have completed 7 back to back tours on Puma, Merlin, Chinook, Tornado, Typhoon, C-130 and Harrier. That's if I was Prince William of course.
In 4 years I could have completed 7 back to back tours on Puma, Merlin, Chinook, Tornado, Typhoon, C-130 and Harrier. That's if I was Prince William of course.
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