Flyer Show Heathrow 2008
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Flyer Show Heathrow 2008
hey all,
Jut back from london and im loaded down with brochures from the flyer show, one hell of a lot of info for me!
Anyone got any thought on it, let me know of anyhting you guys found out that maybe i wouldn.t have known ... tell on!!
Ian
Jut back from london and im loaded down with brochures from the flyer show, one hell of a lot of info for me!
Anyone got any thought on it, let me know of anyhting you guys found out that maybe i wouldn.t have known ... tell on!!
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Hi
For those of us that didnt / couldnt make it to the show....could those that did tells us all what the airlines had to say about the current / future for Wannabes ?
For those of us that didnt / couldnt make it to the show....could those that did tells us all what the airlines had to say about the current / future for Wannabes ?
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All airlines were basically giving the same message, that recruitment for pilots is very buoyent.
Ryan air and easy jet recruiting 400 to 500 pilots each this year and BA between april 08 and april 09, plan on 260 new recruits.
Flybe and the training school of Ireland launched a new cadet scheme yesterday, but not exactly sure on what it involves, suggest people look on their website.
I think worryingly for myself and other modular route, low hours guys is that the trend seems more and more for airlnes to recruit from schools such as CTC, Oxford etc..
Its very difficult for all us low hours guys to stand out from each other, and without forking out for a type rating etc I cant see alot of hope without lots of luck..
Any info from what other guys found out is welcome
Ryan air and easy jet recruiting 400 to 500 pilots each this year and BA between april 08 and april 09, plan on 260 new recruits.
Flybe and the training school of Ireland launched a new cadet scheme yesterday, but not exactly sure on what it involves, suggest people look on their website.
I think worryingly for myself and other modular route, low hours guys is that the trend seems more and more for airlnes to recruit from schools such as CTC, Oxford etc..
Its very difficult for all us low hours guys to stand out from each other, and without forking out for a type rating etc I cant see alot of hope without lots of luck..
Any info from what other guys found out is welcome
Meanwhile - in a parallel universe - Ryanair are grounding two dozen aircraft over the winter, easyJet have stopped recruiting and ThompsonFly are talking about pilot redundancies.
BA are recruiting.
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BA are recruiting.
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Dont shoot the messenger WWW, just passing on the figures quoted to me by the various airlines recruiting people. Cant see any reason why they wouldn't quote genuine figures???
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Its very difficult for all us low hours guys to stand out from each other, and without forking out for a type rating etc I cant see alot of hope without lots of luck..
Dont get fixed on a TR to get a job, people always discount the FI route for some reason, this is a tried and tested source of recruitment for AOC operators and airlines.
My local school has had such a high turn over of instructors during at least the last 12 months, all of which have moved up the ladder to either air taxi or airlines and have not had to fork out for there TR.
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How long would you say on average to be an instructor before been picked up by one of the big boys? What kind of hours would they be looking for? How many hours on average does a FI complete during an average yr?
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Hi guys
I was at the show yesterday, though i got there late and didn't get into any of the semi' things. So spent most the time asking people the same mundane questions... and getting the same answers.
Apart from having enough literature (having helped to cut down a small eco forest) I'm still none the wiser
Where is the best place to train? I'm in my late 20s, I've spoken to all the OAAs and CTCs out there, everybody seems much of a much. Now I'm even confused about doing an integrated course or a modular course... where whom when aaargh
BA MAN said train only with intergrated guys!!!
Modular Guys say you'll get a job even for ba through them!!!
ConfusedDotCOm
I was at the show yesterday, though i got there late and didn't get into any of the semi' things. So spent most the time asking people the same mundane questions... and getting the same answers.
Apart from having enough literature (having helped to cut down a small eco forest) I'm still none the wiser
Where is the best place to train? I'm in my late 20s, I've spoken to all the OAAs and CTCs out there, everybody seems much of a much. Now I'm even confused about doing an integrated course or a modular course... where whom when aaarghBA MAN said train only with intergrated guys!!!
Modular Guys say you'll get a job even for ba through them!!!
ConfusedDotCOm
Look.
You've been to a show that is put on by a magazine. Like all magazines the vast vast bulk of their income is derived from adverts. A big chunk of those adverts are placed by training providers and training supply shops.
Guess what.
The message is that you should spend all your money on training and training equipment. There has never been a better time to train. Etc ad nauseum.
Recruitment for pilots HAS BEEN very bouyant. As your concern is the market this coming year and next I wouldn't pay any attention to the spin broadcast at the Flyer affair.
Because that is what it is. Spin by Vested Interests.
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You've been to a show that is put on by a magazine. Like all magazines the vast vast bulk of their income is derived from adverts. A big chunk of those adverts are placed by training providers and training supply shops.
Guess what.
The message is that you should spend all your money on training and training equipment. There has never been a better time to train. Etc ad nauseum.
Recruitment for pilots HAS BEEN very bouyant. As your concern is the market this coming year and next I wouldn't pay any attention to the spin broadcast at the Flyer affair.
Because that is what it is. Spin by Vested Interests.
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Full time FI in the UK can expect to fly anything between 30 to 70 hours a month depending on the time of year. 30 hours a month typical during winter months and about 50 - 70 hours a month during the summer months.
Last year was a particulary awful summer though. Remember the market was really active last year hence why so many FIs moved on. Myself I started to get invited to interviews once I hit 700 hours total time, after about 7 months of full time instructing. Though the school I worked for wasn't particulary busy.
However colleagues in the past have instructed for up to two years even longer when the market wasn't quite so good before moving on. Some still ended up paying for ratings. So as to picking an FI rating over a type rating; you really need to do your research on the market when you finish training. In other words how long will you need to instruct for and how many hours? That is very hard question to answer. Though it is generally regarded there is no significant benefit in having more than a 1000 hours of single engine time. Also air taxi/single pilot public transport operators require 700 hours of total time for insurance (there are multi time requirements but some firms will allow you to build multi time flying empty sectors to meet this requirement).
An FI rating will certainly keep more options open and can lead to more interesting flying jobs. However I will not deny that funding a rating can be the financially more shrewd thing to do. If you are to go down the type rating route I would recommend the ATR rating at the moment.
Full time FI in the UK can expect to fly anything between 30 to 70 hours a month depending on the time of year. 30 hours a month typical during winter months and about 50 - 70 hours a month during the summer months.
Last year was a particulary awful summer though. Remember the market was really active last year hence why so many FIs moved on. Myself I started to get invited to interviews once I hit 700 hours total time, after about 7 months of full time instructing. Though the school I worked for wasn't particulary busy.
However colleagues in the past have instructed for up to two years even longer when the market wasn't quite so good before moving on. Some still ended up paying for ratings. So as to picking an FI rating over a type rating; you really need to do your research on the market when you finish training. In other words how long will you need to instruct for and how many hours? That is very hard question to answer. Though it is generally regarded there is no significant benefit in having more than a 1000 hours of single engine time. Also air taxi/single pilot public transport operators require 700 hours of total time for insurance (there are multi time requirements but some firms will allow you to build multi time flying empty sectors to meet this requirement).
An FI rating will certainly keep more options open and can lead to more interesting flying jobs. However I will not deny that funding a rating can be the financially more shrewd thing to do. If you are to go down the type rating route I would recommend the ATR rating at the moment.
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Quite right Slidder - what could possibly go wrong?
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hi guys just a word of advice which im sure www is trying to get across too. all isnt looking rosy on the other side of the training .I would always recomend to do the ground school but id give it a few months first too see how the recession settles or doesnt you dont want huge debts over your heads and no possibility of employment.
Educated Hillbilly
My only other comment is if you want to fly for a living you are going to do this anyway irrespective of the current economic circumstances.
I don't think you can plan your training to coincide with a boom or bust because the market is too unpredictable; if you start to train at the time of a boom the industry is likely to be at a downturn by the time you finish. Consequently there are those that trained when industry was looking bleak hence when the upturned occured were ready to step into the market.
If any of us had thought about the whole thing in a rational way then none of us would probably have done this.
I don't think you can plan your training to coincide with a boom or bust because the market is too unpredictable; if you start to train at the time of a boom the industry is likely to be at a downturn by the time you finish. Consequently there are those that trained when industry was looking bleak hence when the upturned occured were ready to step into the market.
If any of us had thought about the whole thing in a rational way then none of us would probably have done this.
So to sum up - don't bother worrying about your post training employment prospects, its all far to complicated.
Remind me not to check the weather and notams the next time I'm setting off down route..
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Its time to grab the bull by the horns...
... I know that there are always economic driving forces to any industry. But if i was to put training to aside while i watched from the side lines reading the FT it could be years before any Norman Lamont was to say its ok to spend and invest. And when the next boom was to happen you'd be half the way through it before you realised it.
... I know that there are always economic driving forces to any industry. But if i was to put training to aside while i watched from the side lines reading the FT it could be years before any Norman Lamont was to say its ok to spend and invest. And when the next boom was to happen you'd be half the way through it before you realised it.
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Hey Duffer
I think that I'll look at CabA or OAA in the uk or even waac, if i can find something out about there previous students getting jobs. I'm gonna be contacting the schools tomorrow to get further info, on dates and stuff. My main reason is so as i can get my training done asap by a reputable school. FTE and CTC seem to be good but won't be able to start with them until next year. And if i don't get into a intergrated course I was looking at Cabair modular, mainly coz there are plenty of schools around and the girls there yesterday did look good
ya never know i might change my mind by the morning... I'm still got alot of questions i need answering. What do think about those schools guys?
I think that I'll look at CabA or OAA in the uk or even waac, if i can find something out about there previous students getting jobs. I'm gonna be contacting the schools tomorrow to get further info, on dates and stuff. My main reason is so as i can get my training done asap by a reputable school. FTE and CTC seem to be good but won't be able to start with them until next year. And if i don't get into a intergrated course I was looking at Cabair modular, mainly coz there are plenty of schools around and the girls there yesterday did look good
ya never know i might change my mind by the morning... I'm still got alot of questions i need answering. What do think about those schools guys?