Sherburn or Multiflight??
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Sherburn or Multiflight??
Im about to embark on starting my PPL and then onto my cpl and want to know experiences good or bad of either sherburn or multiflight?
I've had a trial at multiflight and was impressed by the setup but been told that cancellations are common and difficult to rebook as very busy.
Im also drawn to multiflight in that I could go all the way through to my cpl at the same training school. Does staying at the same school give any advantage??
Sherburn gives the impression that it would be more personal with instructors that have been about for yrs at the same club. Just worried that after the ppl and IR that I would after goto muliflight anyway to continue with my flying as plan to continue working throughout and both are nearby..
I guess i know what your all going to say " Have a look around them both" Which is what i plan to do this week. But good to know other peeps experiences of them both.
Also any questions that I may not of already thought of to ask while im taking my tours?
Thanks for all that take time out to reply its greatly appreciated
I've had a trial at multiflight and was impressed by the setup but been told that cancellations are common and difficult to rebook as very busy.
Im also drawn to multiflight in that I could go all the way through to my cpl at the same training school. Does staying at the same school give any advantage??
Sherburn gives the impression that it would be more personal with instructors that have been about for yrs at the same club. Just worried that after the ppl and IR that I would after goto muliflight anyway to continue with my flying as plan to continue working throughout and both are nearby..
I guess i know what your all going to say " Have a look around them both" Which is what i plan to do this week. But good to know other peeps experiences of them both.
Also any questions that I may not of already thought of to ask while im taking my tours?
Thanks for all that take time out to reply its greatly appreciated
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In what context? If you want to go on to be a professional pilot, learning at a fully-controlled airport is going to give you a good start in terms of dealing with ATC on a daily basis.
Cost-wise, there's not much in it (I did the same sums a couple of years ago, and chose Leeds purely because it was more accessible).
Edit: Just to add, since passing I've got to know a lot of smaller outfits at a grass-roots level and very much enjoy the more laid-back, friendly atmosphere. If I were to do it again, who knows... just depends where you want to go. Flying out of little grass strips where you DO have to cast more than a fleeting glimpse over performance figures has a certain satisfaction to it. Fly from a short-field, you can fly from anywhere. That's certainly a skill you don't tend to learn when you have 2 miles of concrete to play with.
Cost-wise, there's not much in it (I did the same sums a couple of years ago, and chose Leeds purely because it was more accessible).
Edit: Just to add, since passing I've got to know a lot of smaller outfits at a grass-roots level and very much enjoy the more laid-back, friendly atmosphere. If I were to do it again, who knows... just depends where you want to go. Flying out of little grass strips where you DO have to cast more than a fleeting glimpse over performance figures has a certain satisfaction to it. Fly from a short-field, you can fly from anywhere. That's certainly a skill you don't tend to learn when you have 2 miles of concrete to play with.
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Not that you would expect many forced landings but Otley Chevin is a bit steep!!! Why not have an hour at each to help decide as all training counts towards PPL. Having done both it really is a matter of whether you are impressed by the drive in the country or the cruise down a big lumpy runway where you will sometimes be delayed by jets while you watch them depart or have to fit in between after holding at Eccup for the western. Good experience though and would recommend you start a list of pro's and con's if you cannot choose on the bais of a quick cost v benefit.
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I actually did my PPL at sherburn before gaining my ATPL at a certain well known and rather expensive FTO based down south and I have to say, some of my best times were learning at Sherburn. I still fly there from time to time and know some of the instructors well, some are there for the love of teaching, some there build up hours until they can get the move up to the big stuff, but either way the tuition is excellent. Sherburn has unfortunately had some bad publicity of late, some deserved, some not, but this does not detract from a well run outfit, with excellent facilities and a MATZ on your doorstep! 
And best of all, you can really use the entire lesson to get those skills polished up, rather than waiting for jet2 traffic so that their on-time reports dont get affected
Either way, it all depends what you are after, like Shunter says "learning at a fully-controlled airport is going to give you a good start in terms of dealing with ATC on a daily basis" but I personally enjoy the personal touch at sherburn.
Enjoy yourself whatever you choose
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And best of all, you can really use the entire lesson to get those skills polished up, rather than waiting for jet2 traffic so that their on-time reports dont get affected Either way, it all depends what you are after, like Shunter says "learning at a fully-controlled airport is going to give you a good start in terms of dealing with ATC on a daily basis" but I personally enjoy the personal touch at sherburn.
Enjoy yourself whatever you choose
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Orbit downwind
Hmm. I did my IR at Leeds and had to orbit to give way a few more times than that, but only on the visual simulated poor vis circuit after the flight planned IR approaches, of course. It adds 5 or 10 mins to the flight right enough, but it's not really a prohibitive issue.
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I trained at MF but also moved to Sherburn for a while.
Multiflight is a great school but remember that it is a school and not a flying club. You turn up for your lesson then go home. There was no real club atmosphere but the tuition was spot on. Sherburn was more of a flying club and that is why i moved there, although it was not as different as i thought it would be so i ended up moving back. In my opinion the tuition was better at multiflight and i also quite enjoyed flying from LBA with full ATC. Both places gave no pre or post flight breifings and i never actually had one all through my PPL training. The instructors at
MF however did take the time to explain anything to me that i didnt quite understand.
The thing that really made me go back to LBA was that at Sherburn i had a different instructor for almost every lesson. They didnt seem to care where i was in my training and just sat there not giving me any advice. One bloke in particular was only interested in telling me what a good pilot HE was, this was after leaving me sat in the aircraft for 15 minutes with the engine running before coming out. There was however a french instructor who many people will know who was great and used to teach me aeros during my PPL! The last i heard he had been ill and i hope he is o.k.
The instructors at MF are generally hour builders but if thats the way your going then you will have alot in common and the experience at LBA will be good. As for orbiting, yes it happens but its part of flying in controlled airspace and you will be forever fine with that kind of instruction from ATC. I know of people who learned at small airfields who would panic when asked to do that. Its all hours in the log book and good general handling practice so i really dont see the problem. Flying at LBA will also give you excellent x-wind landing practice.
I believe that MF are trying to improve the atmosphere and have recently opened a new cafe area as well as introducing fly-outs etc.
If you are going commercial i would definately go for MF over sherburn but that is my opinion based on flying from both around 5 years ago.
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Mike
I trained at MF but also moved to Sherburn for a while.
Multiflight is a great school but remember that it is a school and not a flying club. You turn up for your lesson then go home. There was no real club atmosphere but the tuition was spot on. Sherburn was more of a flying club and that is why i moved there, although it was not as different as i thought it would be so i ended up moving back. In my opinion the tuition was better at multiflight and i also quite enjoyed flying from LBA with full ATC. Both places gave no pre or post flight breifings and i never actually had one all through my PPL training. The instructors at
MF however did take the time to explain anything to me that i didnt quite understand.
The thing that really made me go back to LBA was that at Sherburn i had a different instructor for almost every lesson. They didnt seem to care where i was in my training and just sat there not giving me any advice. One bloke in particular was only interested in telling me what a good pilot HE was, this was after leaving me sat in the aircraft for 15 minutes with the engine running before coming out. There was however a french instructor who many people will know who was great and used to teach me aeros during my PPL! The last i heard he had been ill and i hope he is o.k.
The instructors at MF are generally hour builders but if thats the way your going then you will have alot in common and the experience at LBA will be good. As for orbiting, yes it happens but its part of flying in controlled airspace and you will be forever fine with that kind of instruction from ATC. I know of people who learned at small airfields who would panic when asked to do that. Its all hours in the log book and good general handling practice so i really dont see the problem. Flying at LBA will also give you excellent x-wind landing practice.
I believe that MF are trying to improve the atmosphere and have recently opened a new cafe area as well as introducing fly-outs etc.
If you are going commercial i would definately go for MF over sherburn but that is my opinion based on flying from both around 5 years ago.
Regards
Mike
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It's all about what you're comfortable with. It's your money.
At this stage, I wouldn't even think about the ATPL, you're just starting your PPL, without wanting to put you off, if it's for you, you've got a mountain to climb mate! Don't look too far ahead, the size of that mountain might just put you off!!!
IMHO for what it's worth, i'd go to Sherburn; it's small and personal, good CAA AME on site, awesome in the summer sat outside and lots of social events - having fun is what the PPL is all about, loads of time to learn large controlled airports (which isn't exactly a science by the way, few more frequencies, longer taxi and more time at the holding point - just means more hassel!) and if you want to go on to ATPL study levels, I personally think you should experience that fun before the serious stuff starts!
I did my PPL at Sherburn in 1995 and make a point of going back. I now fly a B757/B767 from a large London Airport, and Sherburn is just as cool...
It's all about what you're comfortable with. It's your money.
At this stage, I wouldn't even think about the ATPL, you're just starting your PPL, without wanting to put you off, if it's for you, you've got a mountain to climb mate! Don't look too far ahead, the size of that mountain might just put you off!!!
IMHO for what it's worth, i'd go to Sherburn; it's small and personal, good CAA AME on site, awesome in the summer sat outside and lots of social events - having fun is what the PPL is all about, loads of time to learn large controlled airports (which isn't exactly a science by the way, few more frequencies, longer taxi and more time at the holding point - just means more hassel!) and if you want to go on to ATPL study levels, I personally think you should experience that fun before the serious stuff starts!
I did my PPL at Sherburn in 1995 and make a point of going back. I now fly a B757/B767 from a large London Airport, and Sherburn is just as cool...
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I'd certainly agree with the values of the flying club. I flew for several years at a small flying club and I certainly hark back to those halycon days sat on a table outside in the sunshine having a nice pub lunch before my sorties listening to those wonderful Cessas buzz past. A PPL is a PPL is a PPL. Enjoy it a much as you can because when the CPL and IR come along later on the pressure can make it a little bit less fun and more work!
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Flying at Sherburn..
Just thought I'd have my 2 pennies worth..
I've flown at lots of different places in gliders and light aeroplanes (and I'm currently doing ATPL theory). I'll be going to Leeds for a while when the time comes..
Sherburn, however, is one of the nicest and most well run clubs that I have been to, and, regardless of what happens with my flying career, I'll probably remain a member for the rest of my life.
There are lots of friendly people (its rare to sit in the clubhouse without someone striking up a conversation), the fleet of aeroplanes is second to none (fully IFR equipped PA28 fleet) and the food is great!
It's a nice place to hours build and I consider myself lucky to live close enough to fly there!
All clubs have their ups and downs, but go there and see - I think you'll be impressed....
P.S. Even though this looks like a hard sell, I'm just a satisfied club member - not on the committee!!!!
Regards all!!!
TSR22 (I know, I couldnt get TSR2..)
I've flown at lots of different places in gliders and light aeroplanes (and I'm currently doing ATPL theory). I'll be going to Leeds for a while when the time comes..
Sherburn, however, is one of the nicest and most well run clubs that I have been to, and, regardless of what happens with my flying career, I'll probably remain a member for the rest of my life.
There are lots of friendly people (its rare to sit in the clubhouse without someone striking up a conversation), the fleet of aeroplanes is second to none (fully IFR equipped PA28 fleet) and the food is great!
It's a nice place to hours build and I consider myself lucky to live close enough to fly there!
All clubs have their ups and downs, but go there and see - I think you'll be impressed....
P.S. Even though this looks like a hard sell, I'm just a satisfied club member - not on the committee!!!!
Regards all!!!
TSR22
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Multi-flight costs
Just some words of advice about costs of a PPL. I have recently flown with Multi-flight and found that they are a very professional well organized outfit. On advice about the costs however Multi-flights advertised costs for a PPL does not include landing charges of around £8 for a 152 and a bit more for a PA28. £8 does not sound a lot but when you are flying solo consolidation of 3 hours in the circuit the price of landings can soon mount up. Just something to bear in mind. Having said that learning in an ATC environment is a useful experience.
