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Hi there. I would like to do my training in Ireland and Ireland only so please dont say heres better and theres better I just want to know out of the following which would be the best in terms of value for money and what you get.
PTC Waterford / Atlantic Flight Training Cork / National Flight Centre Weston.
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PTC Waterford / Atlantic Flight Training Cork / National Flight Centre Weston.
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Hey.
I did my ppl in Atlantic and i have nothing but praise for them. Their a great bunch of people who seem to care about what they do. Instructors are always there to help you when you need it and are only too happy to do so. Im at PTC at the moment doing the ATPL'S. They seem ok so far. FSI in Florida (where they send you to do the hour building) is a great establishment with dedicated instructors and a well maintained fleet of aircraft. You will find VERY different views of PTC so my advice is decide yourself because as with all flight schools, there are going to be people there who love ot and others that hate it.
I did my ppl in Atlantic and i have nothing but praise for them. Their a great bunch of people who seem to care about what they do. Instructors are always there to help you when you need it and are only too happy to do so. Im at PTC at the moment doing the ATPL'S. They seem ok so far. FSI in Florida (where they send you to do the hour building) is a great establishment with dedicated instructors and a well maintained fleet of aircraft. You will find VERY different views of PTC so my advice is decide yourself because as with all flight schools, there are going to be people there who love ot and others that hate it.
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Done all my flying training in Atlantic in Cork, fantastic setup all fairly new c172's fully equppied IR machines no **** boxes lying around and the instructors are a good bunch, you will find that with Cork its an International Airport and a lot busier than the likes of Waterford, the only flaw with Atlantic is when I got to the stage of my CPL/MEIR they have only 1 twin, which was overbooked however with expansion plans and there recent takeover of South Aer and the building next door there is plans for a FNPT2 to be installed and rumours of a new twin on the way things can only get better, The level of instruction when you get to CPL/IR level is second to none all airline pilots or ex airline pilots even a few examiners from the IAA guys who are really experienced and this is very important at this stage in your training. The flying should cost you around 56k without the exams, mcc, flight test fees etc which is reasonable compared to other schools, if you have any other questions on Atlantic let me know and ill try my best to answer!
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Done all my flying training in Atlantic in Cork, fantastic setup all fairly new c172's fully equppied IR machines no **** boxes lying around and the instructors are a good bunch, you will find that with Cork its an International Airport and a lot busier than the likes of Waterford, the only flaw with Atlantic is when I got to the stage of my CPL/MEIR they have only 1 twin, which was overbooked however with expansion plans and there recent takeover of South Aer and the building next door there is plans for a FNPT2 to be installed and rumours of a new twin on the way things can only get better, The level of instruction when you get to CPL/IR level is second to none all airline pilots or ex airline pilots even a few examiners from the IAA guys who are really experienced and this is very important at this stage in your training. The flying should cost you around 56k without the exams, mcc, flight test fees etc which is reasonable compared to other schools, if you have any other questions on Atlantic let me know and ill try my best to answer!
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Is the weather at Cork really suitable for training?
Seems to suffer from fog due to proximity to the sea and the elevation AMSL.
I remember going to see a school there years and years ago... can't remember the name, out of biz for donkeys now. Flew nice (but yellow) Grob 115s.
Seems to suffer from fog due to proximity to the sea and the elevation AMSL.
I remember going to see a school there years and years ago... can't remember the name, out of biz for donkeys now. Flew nice (but yellow) Grob 115s.
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Yellow grobs?? I think they have them up in NFC in Weston, Atlantic have 1 but its not yellow!!
In Cork u get the usual coastal weather I wouldnt say its ideal for training but can be challenging!!
In Cork u get the usual coastal weather I wouldnt say its ideal for training but can be challenging!!
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Thanks for that info everyone. One more quickie for you/ye, can you do the atpl with atlantic and is is €56k for the whole course?? That's a bit of a difference from ptc and deltaxray why did you do your ppl with atlantic and then go to ptc fot the atpl?
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To be honest....it was'nt my decision. Im only 19 and because this is such an expensive career, i needed help from my parents to fund it. The only snag was they wanted me to go to PTC. I was glad i did the ppl in cork though because i got some good experience in IFR conditions ehm (Keep it on the QT)
Atlantic have started the ATPL course and to the best of my knowledge it is about €56k.
Atlantic have started the ATPL course and to the best of my knowledge it is about €56k.
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No. Atlantic dont do the MCC and you do all your flying on cork. There is no problem with you going to the states to do some hours building but Atlantic dont do it themselves. Business is starting to pick up massively with the closure of south aer now so the volume of students is growing. If you were to chose them i would see if i could get regular bookings first. There should be no problem with that though. Their very accommodating.
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Hi All
Some questions about Atlantic FLight Centre in Cork. I'm new to the game and want to start flying in August, was considering Integrated course with, PTC, Sigmar or Cabair. But Cork is closer to home. Can you tell me if they run full time courses, do they run atpl, how long does each of the courses (or all together) take, roughly. Any other info you have about them would be great.
Suas
Some questions about Atlantic FLight Centre in Cork. I'm new to the game and want to start flying in August, was considering Integrated course with, PTC, Sigmar or Cabair. But Cork is closer to home. Can you tell me if they run full time courses, do they run atpl, how long does each of the courses (or all together) take, roughly. Any other info you have about them would be great.
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Hi all,
I'm a current PTC student, in Vero Beach at the moment doing my PPL. PTC seem to get a bit of a mixed reaction depending who you ask.
I've found them to be quite good so far, some very good instructors in Waterford and FSI in Vero is quite a professional setup with quite a big fleet of aircraft. What made me choose PTC was the timeframe in which you get through the course, being in Florida for my PPL helps as practically every day has good weather for flying.
As for ATPL's up until recently PTC had a distance learning program for ATPL's i.e you study from home via an online course guide. But they now have a structured classroom environment course for ATPL's or you can still choose to do distance learning from home if you wish. If you decided to take the classroom option you can either do it in WIT in Waterford or you can stay on after your PPL and do the ATPL course in Florida (JAA ATPL)
With the structured classroom ATPL course you would do 4 days a week of ground school and 2 days of flying. If you stay on in Florida to do them your last 14 hours are in a twin engine Piper Seminole and you also do an FAA checkride for a multi engine rating, so you would have both a JAA and FAA ME rating.
I'm a current PTC student, in Vero Beach at the moment doing my PPL. PTC seem to get a bit of a mixed reaction depending who you ask.
I've found them to be quite good so far, some very good instructors in Waterford and FSI in Vero is quite a professional setup with quite a big fleet of aircraft. What made me choose PTC was the timeframe in which you get through the course, being in Florida for my PPL helps as practically every day has good weather for flying.
As for ATPL's up until recently PTC had a distance learning program for ATPL's i.e you study from home via an online course guide. But they now have a structured classroom environment course for ATPL's or you can still choose to do distance learning from home if you wish. If you decided to take the classroom option you can either do it in WIT in Waterford or you can stay on after your PPL and do the ATPL course in Florida (JAA ATPL)
With the structured classroom ATPL course you would do 4 days a week of ground school and 2 days of flying. If you stay on in Florida to do them your last 14 hours are in a twin engine Piper Seminole and you also do an FAA checkride for a multi engine rating, so you would have both a JAA and FAA ME rating.
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In response directly to ATOMATOFLAMES comment,
The reason you still think PTC are fantastic is this, ( and I beleived it just like you! )
You are currently In vero beach with Flight Safety Academy, one of the best schools around for quality and committment to your training.
Everything works smoothly while you are in Vero Beach because you are dealing with Flight Safety Only!
The problems only begin once you return home, if you return home, and you have to deal directly with PTC. Your Eyes will very quickly be opened ATOMATOFLAMES. ( Like the name, VFR day equipment )
The sad thing is, we can only do our best here and warn future students about PTC. If you have the option of staying at Flight safety, then take it!!
But be aware, there are two seperate companies in Flight Safety Vero Beach now. One is Flight Safety Internation, one of the finest training companies around.
The other company is PTC Florida, and this is who you will be dealing with.
It is still PTC, its just PTC with Sunshine! Thats the only difference.
The reason you still think PTC are fantastic is this, ( and I beleived it just like you! )
You are currently In vero beach with Flight Safety Academy, one of the best schools around for quality and committment to your training.
Everything works smoothly while you are in Vero Beach because you are dealing with Flight Safety Only!
The problems only begin once you return home, if you return home, and you have to deal directly with PTC. Your Eyes will very quickly be opened ATOMATOFLAMES. ( Like the name, VFR day equipment )
The sad thing is, we can only do our best here and warn future students about PTC. If you have the option of staying at Flight safety, then take it!!
But be aware, there are two seperate companies in Flight Safety Vero Beach now. One is Flight Safety Internation, one of the finest training companies around.
The other company is PTC Florida, and this is who you will be dealing with.
It is still PTC, its just PTC with Sunshine! Thats the only difference.
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was considering Integrated course with, PTC, Sigmar or Cabair
Certain schools have been very disengenuous in the way they present their courses.
Frankly I would suggest that the best optiion is to take a leaf out of PTC's book and go to Flight Safety in Vero Beach on your own behalf. Come home with an FAA ticket and then either go to the NFC or Atlantic or go to the UK and do the conversion course to convert to JAA. You'll save a packet.
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what exactly happened to you at waterford. were you hugely over charged, did you not come out with the right hours or results etc were ou sitting around waiting to fly
what exactly happened to you at waterford. were you hugely over charged, did you not come out with the right hours or results etc were ou sitting around waiting to fly
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some questions, stupid ones perhaps but maybe you can clarify.
if i do an faa ppl with night rating and build to 150 hours in the states. Do i need to convert that when i come home to start ATPL at (lets say) atlantic in Cork and continue with CPL/ME/IR also what do you think of below plan
Would appreciate some comments on the following plan for a fast modular course. Are prices/budgets and time scale practical. What is the likelyhood of a good chance with an airline (Cityjet, Aer Arann, Flybe etc etc) at the end of this plan.
PPL and night rating at Orlando Flight Training 4 weeks €10,000
120 Hours Buliding in US 6 weeks €12,000
Dist learn ground school at Atlantic Cork €10,000 incl accom 6 months
14 ATPL exams, €1500
Headsets, Stationary etc €5000
Fast Track CPL/Mulit/IR at PTC 6 weeks (or else where) €25,000
MCC €5000
Comes to about €70,000
and 11months, is this practical/possible/sensible??
Would greately appreciate ALL your views especially from those of you in the middle of training or recently finished. Trying to make a final decision is the hard bit.
Regards
some questions, stupid ones perhaps but maybe you can clarify.
if i do an faa ppl with night rating and build to 150 hours in the states. Do i need to convert that when i come home to start ATPL at (lets say) atlantic in Cork and continue with CPL/ME/IR also what do you think of below plan
Would appreciate some comments on the following plan for a fast modular course. Are prices/budgets and time scale practical. What is the likelyhood of a good chance with an airline (Cityjet, Aer Arann, Flybe etc etc) at the end of this plan.
PPL and night rating at Orlando Flight Training 4 weeks €10,000
120 Hours Buliding in US 6 weeks €12,000
Dist learn ground school at Atlantic Cork €10,000 incl accom 6 months
14 ATPL exams, €1500
Headsets, Stationary etc €5000
Fast Track CPL/Mulit/IR at PTC 6 weeks (or else where) €25,000
MCC €5000
Comes to about €70,000
and 11months, is this practical/possible/sensible??
Would greately appreciate ALL your views especially from those of you in the middle of training or recently finished. Trying to make a final decision is the hard bit.
Regards
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I'll just copy over my reply from the Jerez thread.
No Suas, It will cost more and take longer.
PPL and night rating at Orlando Flight Training 4 weeks €10,000
It will probably take longer but you can eat into some of the time from:120 Hours Buliding in US 6 weeks €12,000
That might work
Full time ground school at PTC Waterford €10,000 incl accom 6 months
Don't do that. Do it online as distance learning and save about 7k
14 ATPL exams, €1500
Fine
Headsets, Stationary etc €5000
That is more than sufficient. Paperwork must be really expensive now
Fast Track CPL/Mulit/IR at PTC 6 weeks €25,000
I'm sure you've read all the bad press about PTC by now. It might take a bit more than six weeks wherever you do it. Remember you have to do all the hours for the IR. 55 hours in six weeks is tight without even mentioning the CPL.
MCC €5000
It can be done cheaper
Sounds like a plan.
After all that you will have the same chance of a job with the airlines as everyone else. A friend who did something similar just recently got an interview with Ryanair. So it's possible.
No Suas, It will cost more and take longer.
PPL and night rating at Orlando Flight Training 4 weeks €10,000
It will probably take longer but you can eat into some of the time from:120 Hours Buliding in US 6 weeks €12,000
That might work
Full time ground school at PTC Waterford €10,000 incl accom 6 months
Don't do that. Do it online as distance learning and save about 7k
14 ATPL exams, €1500
Fine
Headsets, Stationary etc €5000
That is more than sufficient. Paperwork must be really expensive now
Fast Track CPL/Mulit/IR at PTC 6 weeks €25,000
I'm sure you've read all the bad press about PTC by now. It might take a bit more than six weeks wherever you do it. Remember you have to do all the hours for the IR. 55 hours in six weeks is tight without even mentioning the CPL.
MCC €5000
It can be done cheaper
Sounds like a plan.
After all that you will have the same chance of a job with the airlines as everyone else. A friend who did something similar just recently got an interview with Ryanair. So it's possible.
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goodman corsair , thanks
!!every one elses' comments still appreciated!!
next question, best set of books/study pack for ppl or is this school specific, i would like to start the book work before i get to a school
!!every one elses' comments still appreciated!!
next question, best set of books/study pack for ppl or is this school specific, i would like to start the book work before i get to a school
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"Of those mentioned only Cabair do an integrated course. Both of the others are modular although they integrate each course sequentially. "
Corsair- I'd check my facts before broadcasting statements on other FTO's training approvals.
Sigmar is a fully integrated ATP (A) JAR-FCL approved training programme and has never been modular.
and before everyone puts their hands in the air... yes I know this because I do work with them!
Corsair- I'd check my facts before broadcasting statements on other FTO's training approvals.
Sigmar is a fully integrated ATP (A) JAR-FCL approved training programme and has never been modular.
and before everyone puts their hands in the air... yes I know this because I do work with them!