Oxford (OAT) Skills Assessment

[Joffyh]

Egrayton - Physics and Compass

I'm aware that I said to you the Physics test isn't part of Compass and was a OAT test, this is what I was told by someone who sat the assessment. However, I was looking at the Compass website and it says that one of the Compass tests is a technical physics test...I think your best bet is to phone them.

[egrayton]

thanks for the heads up joff
i actually got in contact with mike at OAT and he confirmed that the tech test (i take it that its the physics test) is not in the compass test

anyone got any good advice on how to pass the group exercises?

anyway i'd still like to know some good aviation news related sites
and can anyone tell me some of the big aviation news related things that happened this year?

[Joffyh]

Hollingworthp, did the example you use actually come in your test?

Aircraft A leaves at 10:00 travelling at 175kts, Aircraft B leaves at 10:45 from the same point travelling at 235kts, what time will the cross and how far will they have travelled.

It seems like one hell of a question to answer with something like 30seconds per question. Is there a formula which can be used? The only way I did it was using simultaneous DST formulas etc.

Cheers
Joffy

[Halfwayback]

egrayton

anyway i'd still like to know some good aviation news related sites and can anyone tell me some of the big aviation news related things that happened this year?

Having read ALL your posts it seems to me that you seem to want everyone to do your leg-work.

Having flown for a Major for over 20 years, and been involved in the recruitment process, those that stand out at interview are those who have taken the trouble to prepare themselves in depth and not just followed the flock. May I suggest if you spent a little less time posting requests for information and a bit more 'searching' you would find the information more quickly.

Good luck with the interview.

HWB

[hollingworthp]

Joffy - I pulled those figures and that example out of thin air. It has been a year since my assessment so my memory of it is not too clear. However, there is a much simpler way to do that than simultaneous equations.

Google Speed, Distance, Time questions and practice those as this is the kind of thing you need to be able to do. Granted the real questions will no doubt be doctored to give rounder answers than mine but it can be worked out in 30 secs or less with pen and paper.

[egrayton]

i get what you mean HWB
i've searched the internet and read loads of articles and one of the bigger ones still seem to be open skies

is there anything else?

[roll_over]

Egrayton just go to the airliners.net forums and you will find most of the aviation news discussed to death by armchair CEOs, it is still nonetheless quite useful information. T5, BA 777 incident, openskies airline, your predictions for the future of heathrow blah blah the list can go on and on.

And i hope they don't have those aircraft A/B questions in the test, I did those type of questions for A level maths and they aren't that simple!

[hollingworthp]

The questions probably are easier than that in that they will be more straight forward in the numbers they use - but do expect Speed / Distance / Time questions and don't expect them to be as easy as: You are travelling at 60 mph, how many miles in 2 hours

The problem I put up can be done with pen, paper and a bit of clear thinking. I only got B at A-level maths and that was 10 years ago so if a coffin dodger like me can manage then I am sure anyone can.

[oli4]

joffhy
work out how far aircraft a has gone in the 45 mins before the seccond aircraft leaves... this is the distance head start of 131 km
then subtract the speeds so aircraft a is effectively standing still while aircraft b is going 60km/h so then work out how long it takes for b to go 131 at 60km/h that gives u the time taken. then simply use the d=s*t to find how far they go.

[betty123]

you know that when they meet their distance travelled will be the same so you would have SxT=SxT for both of the planes so you substitute in to get 175x(T+45) = 235xT then rearrange to solve. there are a few ways of doing it you just have to think outside the box, i was stumped when i first looked at the question but when you stop and think about it, it's not too daunting. I'm sure the questions won't be this hard on the day though.
Has anyone got their assessment at oat on the 26th and 27th of feb?
Good luck to all of you.

[Joffyh]

Thanks for the comments Oli and Betty123, I have already solved the question, using the method you said...it just took me some time! It's worrying how much you forget in 3 years

[oli4]

tell me about it try after 5!!! anyway first day of assesment tomorow prob see u tomrow night cos i think i heard u r there tomrow night. good luck for wed thurs
Oli

[speedtouch]

"Assessment"

It is exactly that. If you knew all of the answers...then there is not much point in anyone turning up! Many people/organisations will both understand and be sympathetic to the concerns of what is possibly a candidate's first selection in aviation [maybe ever]. But to get into any half-decent organisation, you will now need to sit these tests. Just do your best and be honest. There is no emphasis on any one part. All of it is assessed. An example; having spoken to many candidates that sat the OAT/OAA tests in the past - once they had finished - the most common reaction was "It wasn't as bad as I thought and I wish I had relaxed a bit more." (The same goes with airlines and other FTO's).

It is worth keeping in mind that all FTO's are indeed run for 'Commercial Purposes'. However, as has been said: A good one will help/encourage you to get the best out of you on the day and IF you are not up to it then - they have to tell you.

Getting into a FTO is merely the first stage of what is a long, hard process to getting that first job...It is also worth reminding people that aviation is changing at an astonishing rate [Each day -is closer to a systems analyst, than to a pilot, although a good company will pro-actively encourage manual flying], it is not what it once was.

Is it still worth the time/money /hard-work.....that is you decision....for me? Definitely!


Best of luck to all,
Speedtouch.

[4KBeta]

Hi all,

Can anyone actually confirm to me how long the assesment for Physics and Maths is?

I have read 15 Questions but also 90 minutes and of course 15 questions in 90 minutes doesnt make sense.

Any help appreciated

Many thanks

[ChriSat]

Physics (technical) tests have no time constraints

Maths is 24 questions in 20 mins

Chrisat

[DFLY]

Hi all,
Looking at taking OAA assesment later in the year, I have just been looking at Cabairs example questions for maths and physics, are these the sort of questions which one should expect in the assesment at OAA or are they more in depth at OAA.
Also after being out of school for near on 8 years what are the best ways to 'get back into maths and physics' any advice would help. Thanks

[Adios]

Cabair's sample paper is a joke. Because it is multiple choice, the correct answers jump off the page since the incorrect ones are so obviously not even close. I didn't have to work any of the problems on the Cabair paper. OAA's is not multi-choice, so you'll have to work a bit harder for the answers. I haven't done either assessment by the way, just did the Cabair sample paper.

[Potential]

OAA's Physics test is multi-choice, but the answers don't necessarily jump out at you.

[oliverpollard]

Orientation

Hi,
I have been looking at the epst compass test - (www.epst.com/com/compas.html) and I am still unsure how you work out whether the correct answer is 1 or 3. I wonder if someone could clarify how you use the RBI to distinguish whether 1 or 3 is the correct answer (I obviously realise it is 1 or 3 as the plane is heading west a descending)
Thanks.

[Potential]

The direction that the red arrow on the RBI is pointing has to correspond to the position of the purple cross in the centre of the grid in relation to the correct aircraft symbol. Therefore 1 is the correct answer.