thanks pprune for deleting a important thread!
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Wow!
This reminds me of watching a napalm strike. Well done!
I had someone on another thread whining that I was a "spelling nazi" (sic) when I thought I would wind him up by pointing out that you really do need to use proper English if you expect your readers to take you seriously.
Are we seeing the "whatever" generation now having to pay for their fun, twiddling a Game Boy beneath the desk while that boring old English teacher was trying to get their attention with the rules and conventions of speech? "Probably" is my guess.
Poor darlings, they were once cosseted, awarded points for "self-expression" and never mind the spelling or grammar and now they are out in the hard, cold world being burnt alive just for being totally ignorant. What, no points for self-expression here? Must you really insist on mistake-free English? That's sick, dude!
I had someone on another thread whining that I was a "spelling nazi" (sic) when I thought I would wind him up by pointing out that you really do need to use proper English if you expect your readers to take you seriously.
Are we seeing the "whatever" generation now having to pay for their fun, twiddling a Game Boy beneath the desk while that boring old English teacher was trying to get their attention with the rules and conventions of speech? "Probably" is my guess.
Poor darlings, they were once cosseted, awarded points for "self-expression" and never mind the spelling or grammar and now they are out in the hard, cold world being burnt alive just for being totally ignorant. What, no points for self-expression here? Must you really insist on mistake-free English? That's sick, dude!
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Just browsing threads as usual, and it makes me wonder why people go to all this effort to prove certain points, 9/10 is due to spelling issues. If you look in most threads there are normally one, two or three people that correct every spelling mistake and each others.
This is one of many reasons I don't (do not) use this forum as much anymore, because you get flamed for mis-spelling and constantly moaned at, its similar to the moaning you get off your mother for forgetting to bring your washing downstairs.
Overall, someone will probably correct my spelling and spend 10 minutes doing it, partly to emphasise their superior intelligence.
This is one of many reasons I don't (do not) use this forum as much anymore, because you get flamed for mis-spelling and constantly moaned at, its similar to the moaning you get off your mother for forgetting to bring your washing downstairs.
Overall, someone will probably correct my spelling and spend 10 minutes doing it, partly to emphasise their superior intelligence.
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This thread makes great reading. Watchdog! As if they or the general public are going to be the slighest bit interested in a load of priveledged moaners, who are having trouble whilst swanning around sunny Florida doing something that most people can only dream of and spending sums of money that most people will never get their hands on.
Moderators, is there any chance of posting this guy's original post, say with the name of the flying school blanked out? I want to see what all the fuss is about.
Moderators, is there any chance of posting this guy's original post, say with the name of the flying school blanked out? I want to see what all the fuss is about.
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There wasn't a complaint about any school in the original posting. It was a solicitation for anyone who had complaints about flying schools in Florida, that
(I have added the punctuation). The author wasn't interested in any good stories which he dismissed as irrelevant. He wanted to complile a list of these stories to send to his favoured television show. There was no suggestion that the author had suffered any such fate himself, although reading the post again, even the highlighted extract above, the connection is perhaps less tenuous than it first appeared ?
As you know there is a plethora of threads on PPRuNe concerning flight training establishments, containing a whole range of experiences, from very good to utterly outrageous.
I didn't actually remove this particular thread, however I would imagine that the moderator who did, couldn't decide whether the effort expended in saving the authors embarrasment at the presentation was only surpassed by the vacuousness of the content ? In either case it was a good call.
We don't usually flame people for their spelling or their grammar, however we have had a bit of fun with this particular thread. Yes it is indulgent, but it's a small consolation for the bruises we usually get, banging our heads against the brick wall.
"mistreated you for the way you speak, or something else they don't like about you."
(I have added the punctuation). The author wasn't interested in any good stories which he dismissed as irrelevant. He wanted to complile a list of these stories to send to his favoured television show. There was no suggestion that the author had suffered any such fate himself, although reading the post again, even the highlighted extract above, the connection is perhaps less tenuous than it first appeared ?As you know there is a plethora of threads on PPRuNe concerning flight training establishments, containing a whole range of experiences, from very good to utterly outrageous.
I didn't actually remove this particular thread, however I would imagine that the moderator who did, couldn't decide whether the effort expended in saving the authors embarrasment at the presentation was only surpassed by the vacuousness of the content ? In either case it was a good call.
We don't usually flame people for their spelling or their grammar, however we have had a bit of fun with this particular thread. Yes it is indulgent, but it's a small consolation for the bruises we usually get, banging our heads against the brick wall.
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Camel toe, there's bad spelling and there's incoherent twaddle! Whilst I get the general gist, although not the precise meaning, of the paragraph quoted below, it is little more than an immature rant.
As PPrune Towers said, criticism of the grammar used is a sub-text to the whole thread which I can only imagine is a wind-up.
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Dont just MOAN at me(you got the point anyhow!) and bearing in mind the fact i did not have the time to analyse my thread before sending it beacause a certain flight school doesnt even let you view PPrune. and if you want to go round it properly THen why dont you moan at people that dont present it as a formal letter or punctuation? SMUCK!
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The point I'm making is that spelling and grammar on this forum seems to be on everyone's agenda, it's a cheap shot really as there are decent people who can't spell for buggery but who make good pilots. Need I highlight the point that there are dyslexic pilots out there?!
Stick to the relevant tirade of insults on the individual who has got under your skin, but to those who insist on picking up on grammer and spelling on what seems to be every thread might I ask that you consider winding your neck in. It is not a direct indicator of anything (class, level of intelligence, age etc), even though some seem to use it as exactly that.
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Stick to the relevant tirade of insults on the individual who has got under your skin, but to those who insist on picking up on grammer and spelling on what seems to be every thread might I ask that you consider winding your neck in. It is not a direct indicator of anything (class, level of intelligence, age etc), even though some seem to use it as exactly that.
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Yes, but if you can't spell your airline application form will be on a 1-way trip to the shredder. If you use a decent browser (eg. Firefox), there are plenty of spell-checking add-ons which will help you out.
Using dyslexia as an excuse is poor. You've got a computer, use it.
Using dyslexia as an excuse is poor. You've got a computer, use it.
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Don't be ridiculous, this is not somewhere that requires the same amount of pampering, stroking and deliberating that a Letter of Application would get.
If you think people should only write on here using the same level of care as a CV you are living in a naive cyberspace world. If you can find me one person who spell checks every post on here, every email they ever send to friends, I will find you ten who don't.
Having said that I do agree with your comment, and important documents such as CV's, personal statements, letters to the boss etc, should come under ones "Quality Control", but posts on here............nope.
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If you think people should only write on here using the same level of care as a CV you are living in a naive cyberspace world. If you can find me one person who spell checks every post on here, every email they ever send to friends, I will find you ten who don't.
Having said that I do agree with your comment, and important documents such as CV's, personal statements, letters to the boss etc, should come under ones "Quality Control", but posts on here............nope.
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Back on to Florida flying schools i had a mixed experience with one, it shall remain nameless as they may well be a sponsor of the site, or they may not and as the forum wants to make money there could be repercussions for them should a sponsor or contributor RX bad press
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important documents such as CV's, personal statements, letters to the boss etc, should come under ones "Quality Control", but posts on here............nope.
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Much in the same way that I don't wear my "Sunday Best" on a bank holiday monday morning when I'm slobbing about. Different standards for different occasions.
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If you regard being able to converse naturally with correct spelling and grammar as, "sunday best", then you really need to give yourself some thought. Whilst your wkd, l33t friends might think it, "uncool", that's the way of the world I'm afraid.
"Spell properly", "flight-plan properly", "deal with a dead engine an hour from land properly". Melodramatic? Perhaps... But it's all indicative of quality. You either have it or you don't, your choice. There are no short-cuts, and no, "sunday best". Being a good pilot is not simply about how you fly the aircraft, it's about who you are. Airline selection and psychometrics will find you out, that's what they're there for.
"Spell properly", "flight-plan properly", "deal with a dead engine an hour from land properly". Melodramatic? Perhaps... But it's all indicative of quality. You either have it or you don't, your choice. There are no short-cuts, and no, "sunday best". Being a good pilot is not simply about how you fly the aircraft, it's about who you are. Airline selection and psychometrics will find you out, that's what they're there for.
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I think this thread is becoming derailed, so I apologise.
"Being a good pilot is not simply about how you fly the aircraft, it's about who you are."
Couldn't agree more. However I don't think you can compare ones ability to spell with that of being a pilot (private or commercial). Like I said in a previous post, there are people out there who are dire at spelling/grammar but who perform their duties as well as someone who would get 100% in a spelling test. It is as you say "who you are", and I would add to that many other attributes which make a good pilot.
Which brings me to this statement
"But it's all indicative of quality. You either have it or you don't, your choice."
Spelling (either garbage or perfect) on a forum such as this is most certainly not an indication of someones quality. In fact it's that sort of attitude "I speak/spell better, therefore I am superior" that I find ruins a lot of good discussion on prune.
I have chosen not to run a spell check on this, but if I was writing a letter to a future employer, or planning a flight then of course my attitude towards things like accuracy and attention to detail would be different. Efficiency or quality? Well in everything I do there is a balance, important stuff gets more time and attention, emails to friends and posts on forums get done a tad quicker, time saved I can now spend on doing something else.
It could of course just be me that doesn't get someone to read over a text message to a friend to ensure accuracy (spelling and factual) in the same way I would a CV, in which case I will just pipe down on the whole thing.
Again apoloigse to all for the drift.
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"Being a good pilot is not simply about how you fly the aircraft, it's about who you are."
Couldn't agree more. However I don't think you can compare ones ability to spell with that of being a pilot (private or commercial). Like I said in a previous post, there are people out there who are dire at spelling/grammar but who perform their duties as well as someone who would get 100% in a spelling test. It is as you say "who you are", and I would add to that many other attributes which make a good pilot.
Which brings me to this statement
"But it's all indicative of quality. You either have it or you don't, your choice."
Spelling (either garbage or perfect) on a forum such as this is most certainly not an indication of someones quality. In fact it's that sort of attitude "I speak/spell better, therefore I am superior" that I find ruins a lot of good discussion on prune.
I have chosen not to run a spell check on this, but if I was writing a letter to a future employer, or planning a flight then of course my attitude towards things like accuracy and attention to detail would be different. Efficiency or quality? Well in everything I do there is a balance, important stuff gets more time and attention, emails to friends and posts on forums get done a tad quicker, time saved I can now spend on doing something else.
It could of course just be me that doesn't get someone to read over a text message to a friend to ensure accuracy (spelling and factual) in the same way I would a CV, in which case I will just pipe down on the whole thing.
Again apoloigse to all for the drift.
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I think anyone with an ounce of common sense can appreciate the difference between a post containing the odd spelling mistake or grammatical error (or even typo!) and a tirade of incomprehensible ramblings which included some rather insulting comments as well!! The original poster was possibly attempting libel against one or more undisclosed school.
If a professional pilot wrote in the same manner as we have seen here then I would question his or her ability to converse concisely and clearly with the rest of the crew and would recommend CRM training immediately. This wasn't just about the use of the English language but the attitudes displayed within the posts as well.
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If a professional pilot wrote in the same manner as we have seen here then I would question his or her ability to converse concisely and clearly with the rest of the crew and would recommend CRM training immediately. This wasn't just about the use of the English language but the attitudes displayed within the posts as well.
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Off to JB with this thread methinks, but who cares as I've got the answer to all our problems. To be a to PPRuNe member should require demonstrated Level 4 ICAO english and acceptance of a clause stating that the member is postively disposed to the notion of a constitutional monarchy. Jobsagoodun.
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