"Its either me, or your Pilot Training"
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What is it with you women and the above......its scary. My missus still brings up stuff i forgot in about 3 seconds from 20 years ago.
Things come round from years back and I think its all to do with insecurities... 
I, personally, cannot understand girls that do this as I tend to be one of those girls who sits and thinks about it - talks rationally about it and then forgets about it!! Luckily my boyfriend and i have the same attitude towards my plans for becoming a pilot (deal with it all as it comes and never plan too much in advance!!) so all is gravy in my camp.
Now there is a refreshing bit of sense. Always good to hear a girls point of view. Thanks 
Oh, and i forgot to congratulate you for getting accepted onto the JPP.....
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Dear oh dear, this kind of ultimatum is uncalled for. Not only is this path of action short sighted by your girlfriend but also selfish in it's nature. We would all like to have the convienences and guarantees of life but alas the further up the career mountain you wish to climb the more tired your legs are going to become along with an increased risk. Perhaps you're girlfiend can't handle this which is a pity especially after 3 years, there should be more lattitude to a relationship. I would understand these comments from someone you've just met but with water under the bridge she should be far more supportive.
There are numerous careers other than aviation where extensive travel would be required and/or longer working hours. How would your girlfriend handle that, this is the day and age of the mobile/flexible workforce ... something she has to address. If it's a decision between her and the training then go for the training becauise as someone has already alluded to earlier on this is a career for life and girls simply come and go. Would you like to definately give up the career option and against her probability of staying with you? Not an equal nor fair deal I suspect. As a qualified pilot you'll have your training, possibly a good job flying around and thus a good base to settle down in life. Alternatively with your girlfriend you'll have to start all over again in another industry of her choosing and you'll constantly long to be skywards. One day when things aren't so rosey anymore between you and the missus you'll argue then split and go on to blame her for having wasted your time and opportunity whilst still ending up where you are today but with a few years wasted and perhaps stuck in a dull pointless job in some office working for David Brent.
The choice is always yours thus think about your future which is guaranteed to be with you rather than your girlfriend. Jobs are hard to come by in this day and age and even more so for the foreseeable future, taking the prized job as a pilot you'd be foolish to turn it down especially as a semi sponsored student or whatever they call it these days....
BTW the above works in both directions so it's no different if you're a hard working lass with a boyfriend/husband who's a drag
There are numerous careers other than aviation where extensive travel would be required and/or longer working hours. How would your girlfriend handle that, this is the day and age of the mobile/flexible workforce ... something she has to address. If it's a decision between her and the training then go for the training becauise as someone has already alluded to earlier on this is a career for life and girls simply come and go. Would you like to definately give up the career option and against her probability of staying with you? Not an equal nor fair deal I suspect. As a qualified pilot you'll have your training, possibly a good job flying around and thus a good base to settle down in life. Alternatively with your girlfriend you'll have to start all over again in another industry of her choosing and you'll constantly long to be skywards. One day when things aren't so rosey anymore between you and the missus you'll argue then split and go on to blame her for having wasted your time and opportunity whilst still ending up where you are today but with a few years wasted and perhaps stuck in a dull pointless job in some office working for David Brent.
The choice is always yours thus think about your future which is guaranteed to be with you rather than your girlfriend. Jobs are hard to come by in this day and age and even more so for the foreseeable future, taking the prized job as a pilot you'd be foolish to turn it down especially as a semi sponsored student or whatever they call it these days....
BTW the above works in both directions so it's no different if you're a hard working lass with a boyfriend/husband who's a drag
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eCampbell & Oveur - It is very pleasing to hear some common sense out of a couple of women who obviously understand the industry a damn sight better than all of our lovely WAGS put together! Now, how much would you charge per hour to impart some of this common sense onto them or are most of the women that we are all talking about irrational monsters that cannot be tamed??? 
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Now, how much would you charge per hour to impart some of this common sense onto them or are most of the women that we are all talking about irrational monsters that cannot be tamed???
Oh, and i wouldnt charge, it is - after all - common sense
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you have to make those girls see that its better than their shoes, hair makeup etc
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Good idea, but I tried that long ago when comparing my love of football and it didnt work
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The essence of the relationship thing is communication. I'm married to a pilot and I go away for 6 day tours. (Just like Gone Till November)
While flying training is pretty intense and takes up a lot of time, you must also remember that you do need down time and you'll need to give her some quality time too. Send emails/letters while you're away.
Get a diary and make sure you remember significant events like birthdays etc.
A woman can tolerate most things but forgetting birthdays etc is not good. (I realise that my hubby's not really good at things like that so I remind him. Sure, it's cheating but it works.
Girlfriends and wives also need to appreciate that blokes need bloke time. Deny them this and they'll get really crabby and resentful. Blokes need to do stuff that involves beer, round leather balls, or oval looking balls, things with engines and noise.
While flying training is pretty intense and takes up a lot of time, you must also remember that you do need down time and you'll need to give her some quality time too. Send emails/letters while you're away.
Get a diary and make sure you remember significant events like birthdays etc.
A woman can tolerate most things but forgetting birthdays etc is not good. (I realise that my hubby's not really good at things like that so I remind him. Sure, it's cheating but it works.
Girlfriends and wives also need to appreciate that blokes need bloke time. Deny them this and they'll get really crabby and resentful. Blokes need to do stuff that involves beer, round leather balls, or oval looking balls, things with engines and noise.
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haha
i replied her 'IT'S PILOT!!!' all 3 times she asked me to choose between her and pilot.
she agreed after a 2 hours discussion (damn god it seemed 2 days
) and till today she is very supportive.
(and now sometimes i love to use the fake 'oh darling i can stop my aviation career for you'
.... knowing that she would thrust to me " NO its your dream so it's OURS my love!!!")
she agreed after a 2 hours discussion (damn god it seemed 2 days
) and till today she is very supportive.(and now sometimes i love to use the fake 'oh darling i can stop my aviation career for you'
.... knowing that she would thrust to me " NO its your dream so it's OURS my love!!!")
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an old arabian proverb:- "once you drop the chalice, no matter how well you glue it back together, the cracks will still be underneath."
In my opinion she has dropped her chalice, she is always going to be insecure. If you take an interest in anything that slightly diverts your attention away from your femme, they don't like it, .......well in my experience anyway. Remember telling a gf I was going to watch a footy match on a Saturday. She never said anything but you could tell she wasn't happy. I fear that ms oveur is telling you everything is fine when in fact she's hurt that a year apart doesn't phase you but is everything to her.
The ideal girl is the one that says "go to the pub honey" and actually means it, not just says it, and its not thrown in your face three years later. If Carlsberg made girlfriends............
In my opinion she has dropped her chalice, she is always going to be insecure. If you take an interest in anything that slightly diverts your attention away from your femme, they don't like it, .......well in my experience anyway. Remember telling a gf I was going to watch a footy match on a Saturday. She never said anything but you could tell she wasn't happy. I fear that ms oveur is telling you everything is fine when in fact she's hurt that a year apart doesn't phase you but is everything to her.
The ideal girl is the one that says "go to the pub honey" and actually means it, not just says it, and its not thrown in your face three years later. If Carlsberg made girlfriends............
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The ideal girl is the one that says "go to the pub honey" and actually means it, not just says it, and its not thrown in your face three years later. If Carlsberg made girlfriends............
You have to get them housed trained when the relationship is still young. Get things laid out right at the start, then they know where they stand from the beginning.
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Just want to throw my 2 cents in...
Bit of insecurity and nerves are natural for a girl who's dating a guy who enters the industry, but ultimatums? WTF???????
Had the same scenario. A girlfriend who put on a supportive face all the way through the training but deep down was always sniping and bitching, and (luckily for me) dumped me 10 days before I started for a jet operater in RHS...
And now the happiest guy alive, flying jets for a living, seeing different country's every day, earning reasonably good money and never short of a date (or 2... or 3...).
Never accept the fact you are flying as an excuse for manipualtive, jealous or controlling behaviour from a girl you are dating, it as a complete recipe for disaster, find a great girl who loves you and loves what you do!
Bit of insecurity and nerves are natural for a girl who's dating a guy who enters the industry, but ultimatums? WTF???????
Had the same scenario. A girlfriend who put on a supportive face all the way through the training but deep down was always sniping and bitching, and (luckily for me) dumped me 10 days before I started for a jet operater in RHS...
And now the happiest guy alive, flying jets for a living, seeing different country's every day, earning reasonably good money and never short of a date (or 2... or 3...).
Never accept the fact you are flying as an excuse for manipualtive, jealous or controlling behaviour from a girl you are dating, it as a complete recipe for disaster, find a great girl who loves you and loves what you do!
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Lola83, eCampbell & Oveur - Were you guys in a previous life or are you the next Carlsberg advert waiting to happen???
What many women don't understand is that the more they try to control and smother their fella the more likely he is to bugger off with a trolley dolley!
Nightmare!!!
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What many women don't understand is that the more they try to control and smother their fella the more likely he is to bugger off with a trolley dolley!
Nightmare!!!
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I have seen many a mate or should i say ex-mate get pussy whipped by a woman with quite clearly bigger balls than they have and totally controlled. To the point where they cant even go for a pint with the lads in a boozer a the end of thier road.
The "modern metro sexual man " is doing it's best to be a woman but subservient with it.
Redsnail is what more women should be like where she wants a man to be a man and wouldnt have any respect for some of the spineless jelly fishes that mistakenly call themselves men.
I remember once i was going out on a lads weekend and my bank account wasnt talking to me so the missus said here's my credit card, foxtrot oscar and DONT come back without a hang over.....thats why weve been togeher for 19 years and even though we've lived in different countries for our respective jobs for years our relationship is stronger than ever. But i suppose i just got lucky.
Viva la femme's like lola, ecampbell and redsnail
ps redsnail how was your sarny....was it scooby doo sized?
What many women don't understand is that the more they try to control and smother their fella the more likely he is to bugger off with a trolley dolley!
The "modern metro sexual man " is doing it's best to be a woman but subservient with it.
Redsnail is what more women should be like where she wants a man to be a man and wouldnt have any respect for some of the spineless jelly fishes that mistakenly call themselves men.
I remember once i was going out on a lads weekend and my bank account wasnt talking to me so the missus said here's my credit card, foxtrot oscar and DONT come back without a hang over.....thats why weve been togeher for 19 years and even though we've lived in different countries for our respective jobs for years our relationship is stronger than ever. But i suppose i just got lucky.
Viva la femme's like lola, ecampbell and redsnail
ps redsnail how was your sarny....was it scooby doo sized?
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Gosh. A awful lot of this comes over as very teenage, very misogynist. There is very little here about empathy or relationships as partnerships. Sadly much of it sadly reads like a war where the two participants are trying to beat each other to a pulp.
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GTN,
It was enormous. If it was catering, the jet would list to one side!!
It was enormous. If it was catering, the jet would list to one side!!