atpl books bristol info please
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atpl books bristol info please
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i would the information about bristol ground school:
..how many books for the atpl (books or folders if folders how many subject per folders)
..how many pages approximatively for every subjects
i would like to compare with oxford (8000 pages ) and jeppesen(4000 pages) before making my decision
if someone can give me the exact details it will be very nice for me because i am in france and dont know anyone who studies with them
i would the information about bristol ground school:
..how many books for the atpl (books or folders if folders how many subject per folders)
..how many pages approximatively for every subjects
i would like to compare with oxford (8000 pages ) and jeppesen(4000 pages) before making my decision
if someone can give me the exact details it will be very nice for me because i am in france and dont know anyone who studies with them
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Hi Normann
Thats weird cause Im called Norman Too!!!
Anyways.... I've got no idea about Bristol or their ground school... But Im up in Scotland at GCNS! (before anyone complains about the school etc. I think its Ok) the course has cost me 2600 quid...(full time) and I think its not be entirely wasted Im about half ways through my ATPL course and have set 5 exams... (all passed BTW. with 92.5% avg)
due to finish first week in June all being well.... 4 more in March and last 5 in June
I really don't think it matters too much about the size of the material you are going to get from the course... I have found that GCNS's material covers pretty much everything to pass the ATPL's.
There is a syllabus laid down from the CAA on the topics that must be covered in the ground school... so every school should be teaching the material (and that if you know it inside out... you'll pass the exams). And if all that fails... I've got a copy of the oxford notes on DVD... which I can refer too.....
I've heard good things about the studies you get from bristol... and the material they hand out... but learning answers to questions with out knowing the material is a dangerous game.... so you could learn enough of 200 pages to pass the exams but that might skim over the details...
Oxford and I've read some of the material go over the top on detail to pass the exams... but this isn't a bad thing.. as I have to admin I've looked at their stuff and it is excellent!!!
Bristols feed back is a god send.... so take you pick... number of pages doesn't indicate anything.... so of the notes I've been given in college are a bit crap but... I've still done the required work and passed the exams :-)
Norman
Anyways.... I've got no idea about Bristol or their ground school... But Im up in Scotland at GCNS! (before anyone complains about the school etc. I think its Ok) the course has cost me 2600 quid...(full time) and I think its not be entirely wasted Im about half ways through my ATPL course and have set 5 exams... (all passed BTW. with 92.5% avg)
due to finish first week in June all being well.... 4 more in March and last 5 in June
I really don't think it matters too much about the size of the material you are going to get from the course... I have found that GCNS's material covers pretty much everything to pass the ATPL's.
There is a syllabus laid down from the CAA on the topics that must be covered in the ground school... so every school should be teaching the material (and that if you know it inside out... you'll pass the exams). And if all that fails... I've got a copy of the oxford notes on DVD... which I can refer too.....
I've heard good things about the studies you get from bristol... and the material they hand out... but learning answers to questions with out knowing the material is a dangerous game.... so you could learn enough of 200 pages to pass the exams but that might skim over the details...
Oxford and I've read some of the material go over the top on detail to pass the exams... but this isn't a bad thing.. as I have to admin I've looked at their stuff and it is excellent!!!
Bristols feed back is a god send.... so take you pick... number of pages doesn't indicate anything.... so of the notes I've been given in college are a bit crap but... I've still done the required work and passed the exams :-)
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Cant speak for bristol or jepperson but the oxford ones are very good and i would definately recommend them. Dont look at the number of pages as some books may have more diagrams/pictures etc.
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Originally Posted by arpansingla
the oxford ones are very good and i would definately recommend them
Some of them are good, if you've got a few spare months to read through all the overly anal detail, but most books are urgh.
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I think you are missing the point. It is not the number of pages that matter as some print on both sides. You need to weigh the books for a real comparison of course quality. An even more accurate way to get a comparison is to put them in water and measure the temperature of the water displaced, this way you can figure out the density which is ultimately what matters although weight is almost as good.
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cannot believe someone is recommending the oxford books!! I'm at oxford and whilst in general i do think the residential groundschool is very good. The books aren't. More specifically, the met book has at least as much stuff crossed out or ammended as it has useable information. Instruments, Pof and electrics have large ammendments. The only book which would be any use as a stand alone in phase one would be HP.
If you think (as I do) that around 90 percent of the tested material in the jaa exams is irrelevent stuff that you don't need to know then multiply that by 4 or 5 and you have the oxford books.
residential yes..(but expensive)
distance learning....no no no no no!!!!!
If you think (as I do) that around 90 percent of the tested material in the jaa exams is irrelevent stuff that you don't need to know then multiply that by 4 or 5 and you have the oxford books.
residential yes..(but expensive)
distance learning....no no no no no!!!!!
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I have just completed the 1st phase with OAT- distance learning. I wouldn't say that the books were so terrible although in some topics they could certainly be better written! However, I also supplemented my studies by reading material from additional sources. For any help that I required I just contacted one of the ground school instructors. In regards to the extra detail in the OAT books I personally don't see this as an issue. I have so far enjoyed the ground school study... perhaps it depends what you want out of the course? Naturally everyone wants to pass. Fair enough. 
Some students will appreciate going a little further for personal interest etc. At the end of the day passing the exams is the goal.
I would not agree with that. I see the course as laying the theoretical foundation that you will require later on.
LG
Some students will appreciate going a little further for personal interest etc. At the end of the day passing the exams is the goal.
90 percent of the tested material in the jaa exams is irrelevent
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good post LG. It's a tricky balance, especially with met when a fair amount of the answers required by the JAA is wrong! do you put the JAA correct answer or the meteorologically correct one in the book??
I stand by my comment that around 90 percent of the information will not be required when in the cockpit, bizarrely of course met is the one subject which we will actually use!!
I agree that some students will find the extra info interesting, indeed i find some of it interesting. I also find some of it mind numbing and irrelevent, for example I really don't give a crap that the letterring in the emergency cut out area on an aircraft must be 3cm, or that the JAA think the slowest jet stream is 60kts when it's actually 67 and therefore the met correct answer would be 70kts when the JAA correct answer is 60!!
five weeks to go til phase 1 jar's for me.
hope you aced yours!
bdj.
I stand by my comment that around 90 percent of the information will not be required when in the cockpit, bizarrely of course met is the one subject which we will actually use!!
I agree that some students will find the extra info interesting, indeed i find some of it interesting. I also find some of it mind numbing and irrelevent, for example I really don't give a crap that the letterring in the emergency cut out area on an aircraft must be 3cm, or that the JAA think the slowest jet stream is 60kts when it's actually 67 and therefore the met correct answer would be 70kts when the JAA correct answer is 60!!
five weeks to go til phase 1 jar's for me.
hope you aced yours!
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I agree, ATPLs arent just about passing exams. You have to apply your knowledge for the rest of your aviation career.
I also agree that some stuff you learn is completely pointless (did you know that you need a class rating for a touring motor glider!?) but that is the JAA for you.
I also agree that some stuff you learn is completely pointless (did you know that you need a class rating for a touring motor glider!?) but that is the JAA for you.
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Had a flick through the bristol books at the flyer show, absolutely brilliant. I'm at Oxford and about to sit phase two, the books are decent, Met needs a few corrections perhaps, but they certainly provide you with the info you need.
If distance learning is the way you want to go there is only ONE possible route you can take, and it rhymes with Bristol Ground School. End of.
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If distance learning is the way you want to go there is only ONE possible route you can take, and it rhymes with Bristol Ground School. End of.
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Warning! Thread creep!
Thank you bajadj, no disrespect to John but I was hoping for a definitive link to the WMO or sombody like that.
I was one of the team that wrote the draft LOs for Met, and I still feel a bit rsponsible for them. IIRC I got 60kt from the WMO some years ago, but I can't find the reference now. I have found a reference in the AMS glossary, but it only says that jetstreams will be displayed on weather charts if the speed is 50kt or over.
Anyone able to help?
Dick
Thank you bajadj, no disrespect to John but I was hoping for a definitive link to the WMO or sombody like that.
I was one of the team that wrote the draft LOs for Met, and I still feel a bit rsponsible for them. IIRC I got 60kt from the WMO some years ago, but I can't find the reference now. I have found a reference in the AMS glossary, but it only says that jetstreams will be displayed on weather charts if the speed is 50kt or over.
Anyone able to help?
Dick
