F/O on a 737 at just 19
They are a lot of 19 years an younger more responsible than "older people'' so you can't just assume that because he is 19 is isn't responsible !!
Once again I wish him the best ...
Once again I wish him the best ...
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So What!
In this current airline climate,its no big deal anymore to be flying at an early age.Anyone can get a job now, its a matter of paying for the license and in this case 'pater' was in the airline. In particular the airline is not a mainstream one, so begs the words, 'so what!'. Good for him,hes done well but certainly not a 'news' item. Get a degree,enjoy uni and there are plenty of years left for flying. Remember chaps,its a great job but not the job it was! I certainly wouldnt have wanted to be flying at 19,was too busy enjoying myself in university...started at 22 in an airline and that was still too early.
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Well its not so much well done ed, but well done dad, good lad passing his exams and all that but we would see alot more 19yr old f/o's about if they had or wanted to stump the cash at that age, if you wanna see young pilots look at India
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So, the general consensus seems to be there's nothing special about being 19 and commanding the right seat of a commercial airliner - especially if you have a dad willing to pay the bills, and who happens to be well-connected with an airline whos hiring.
Begs the question, though, how on earth this thread ran to 6 pages (and counting ...)
Begs the question, though, how on earth this thread ran to 6 pages (and counting ...)
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I believe that the then Group Captain Dereck Kingwell, was the youngest pilot to make Group Captain. At the age of 19 he became CO of the RAAF 82 wing, flying the B24 Liberator.
Stayed in the RAAF after the war and ended up as a Air Commodore.
Great pilot and CO, only died in recent years.
I suspect that age had nothing to do with his rise, just the right man for the job.
Regards
Col
Stayed in the RAAF after the war and ended up as a Air Commodore.
Great pilot and CO, only died in recent years.
I suspect that age had nothing to do with his rise, just the right man for the job.
Regards
Col
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Recognise this guy's face from when I was training at Stapleford, never spoke to him though.
Can't really see how this story is news though, who is responsible for getting this in the papers?
If I was Ed id feel a bit sheepish of having it shouted across the rooftops that my dad had paid for me to get an FATPL, 737 tr and got me a job sitting next to him.
Talking of young pilots, I think I remember reading a story a couple of years ago in the BA inflight magazine about some kid who was their youngest captain at age 23. Am I right?
Young wippersnappers should know their place!
Can't really see how this story is news though, who is responsible for getting this in the papers?
If I was Ed id feel a bit sheepish of having it shouted across the rooftops that my dad had paid for me to get an FATPL, 737 tr and got me a job sitting next to him.
Talking of young pilots, I think I remember reading a story a couple of years ago in the BA inflight magazine about some kid who was their youngest captain at age 23. Am I right?
Young wippersnappers should know their place!
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I'm not impressed and wouldn't want a 19 year old as my copilot. Flying is like cooking...you can throw something in the microwave and eat it, or you can slowly cook something adding spices along the way to make something outstanding.
You learn in many ways how to be a pilot. Even Lindbergh said the only way to know how to fly was to teach others how to fly.
Did the 19 year old ever teach?
It is probably easier to get a type rating commercial ticket in a 737 than to get an instrument rating in a Seminole. And a copilot check in a 737 is even easier than a type rating.
I wonder what spice (read seasoning) has been left out of this person's experience? Maybe not checking the compass against runway on lineup? Maybe a "too cool for school" attitude?
I wish this person safe flying...and maybe go back to the cook book once in awhile!
I'm not impressed and wouldn't want a 19 year old as my copilot. Flying is like cooking...you can throw something in the microwave and eat it, or you can slowly cook something adding spices along the way to make something outstanding.
You learn in many ways how to be a pilot. Even Lindbergh said the only way to know how to fly was to teach others how to fly.
Did the 19 year old ever teach?
It is probably easier to get a type rating commercial ticket in a 737 than to get an instrument rating in a Seminole. And a copilot check in a 737 is even easier than a type rating.
I wonder what spice (read seasoning) has been left out of this person's experience? Maybe not checking the compass against runway on lineup? Maybe a "too cool for school" attitude?
I wish this person safe flying...and maybe go back to the cook book once in awhile!
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I would just like to put my 2 p worth into all of this.
I must admit that the 1st thought going through my head when I read the story was " lucky bast**d".
Im currently starting out (hence the name)
and although at the whipper snapper age of 27, still aim to be on the flightdeck of a commercial airliner (flying it) by the time im 35 - plenty of time - I hope.
My point is one that has probably already been said on here - why go to the papers, either by the airline or the family, why make a big song and dance about it all!
Yes im pleased for him - but please - why all the PR crap.
Also, why would they want to brag about having, albeit the youngest, the most inexperienced, both in hours and in life in general on their flight deck???
Now I dont care how he paid for his licence (or didnt) he is obviously one of the lucky ones if you like, and to his credit has acheived his goal in life at a young age, fair play to the lad. if anyone told me they had acheived their goal in life, at 19, 99 or 109 I would still say the same thing.
We all set out in life with goals and ambitions, some fullfil them and some dont, thats life. I just hope im in the former of these categories
I dont know how much clout my point will carry, as im not one of you guys.....just yet... but I felt compelled to write something after reading some of the posts (some cringe-worthy as if he was your best friend), and then posts slagging off other people's posts for not congratulating him. It became very tedious in the end.
This is a forum where everyone is equal to voice their opinion - take it for what you will, you have mine!!!!
Now im going back to my wannabee friends - play nicely, and fly safe
Craig
ps Buy the Daily Star in 2015, It may well have a picture of me in it on graduation day - you never know
I must admit that the 1st thought going through my head when I read the story was " lucky bast**d".
Im currently starting out (hence the name)
and although at the whipper snapper age of 27, still aim to be on the flightdeck of a commercial airliner (flying it) by the time im 35 - plenty of time - I hope.My point is one that has probably already been said on here - why go to the papers, either by the airline or the family, why make a big song and dance about it all!
Yes im pleased for him - but please - why all the PR crap.
Also, why would they want to brag about having, albeit the youngest, the most inexperienced, both in hours and in life in general on their flight deck???
Now I dont care how he paid for his licence (or didnt) he is obviously one of the lucky ones if you like, and to his credit has acheived his goal in life at a young age, fair play to the lad. if anyone told me they had acheived their goal in life, at 19, 99 or 109 I would still say the same thing.
We all set out in life with goals and ambitions, some fullfil them and some dont, thats life. I just hope im in the former of these categories
I dont know how much clout my point will carry, as im not one of you guys.....just yet... but I felt compelled to write something after reading some of the posts (some cringe-worthy as if he was your best friend), and then posts slagging off other people's posts for not congratulating him. It became very tedious in the end.
This is a forum where everyone is equal to voice their opinion - take it for what you will, you have mine!!!!
Now im going back to my wannabee friends - play nicely, and fly safe
Craig
ps Buy the Daily Star in 2015, It may well have a picture of me in it on graduation day - you never know
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Originally Posted by Flip Flop Flyer
So, the general consensus seems to be there's nothing special about being 19 and commanding the right seat of a commercial airliner - especially if you have a dad willing to pay the bills, and who happens to be well-connected with an airline whos hiring.
Begs the question, though, how on earth this thread ran to 6 pages (and counting ...)
Begs the question, though, how on earth this thread ran to 6 pages (and counting ...)
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I am jealous or envious but not in a negative way. I wish I had been in that position instead of crawling across the line to success, broke but happy, the way I had to. I'd much rather be flying 737's age 19 than have to work in some of the worthless jobs I did. Good luck to him. Not sure why it made the papers though. 19 year old F/O s are hardly unique as many here have noted. Really it's just a question of having the money to pay for the training. Like many of us, raising the money was the REAL problem. That is the main difference between him and others. Dad had the money and it seems the pull.
As for being 19, well I know quite a few 19 year olds who I would happily see in positions of responsibility. Leadership and (relative) maturity are not just age related.
Really the only surprising thing was that a male pilot actually made the papers. Usually it's the lady pilots who get the publicity. Any 19 year old girl pilots out there?
As for being 19, well I know quite a few 19 year olds who I would happily see in positions of responsibility. Leadership and (relative) maturity are not just age related.
Really the only surprising thing was that a male pilot actually made the papers. Usually it's the lady pilots who get the publicity. Any 19 year old girl pilots out there?
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I freind of mine was one of the youngest females to get her PPL on her 17th birthday. She now drives the 757 for Monarch aged 21/22.
And who ever said Women couldn't drive!
And who ever said Women couldn't drive!
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Take a step back!!!
7 pages for what alot of people seem to say is not worth the attention - hmm?
I think some of you should take a step back and READ this thread, it comes across as envy!!!!!!
I would go to the paper and be like Ha Ha daddy paid and got me a job! Nothing wrong with it, and none of you would have turned down that if it was offered to you on a plate.
Get over yourselves and let him enjoy his career - you all sound bitter!!!!!!
I think some of you should take a step back and READ this thread, it comes across as envy!!!!!!
I would go to the paper and be like Ha Ha daddy paid and got me a job! Nothing wrong with it, and none of you would have turned down that if it was offered to you on a plate.
Get over yourselves and let him enjoy his career - you all sound bitter!!!!!!
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Well done Ed!!!
Perhaps some of the naysayers have forgotten the maturity it takes to go from a humble PPL at 17 through to a Frozen ATPL with 737 type. Regardless of parental help, it takes maturity and dedication that not every teenager can muster. I congratulate you!
For my own halfpenny worth, I could fly before I could drive, but that was only as a PPL back then and I was in my early 20s so I'm not sure it counts. Went on to find that lack of driving licence made getting to airfield for hour building a bit of a pain in the posterior (and it was 700 hours of hour building in those days).
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Perhaps some of the naysayers have forgotten the maturity it takes to go from a humble PPL at 17 through to a Frozen ATPL with 737 type. Regardless of parental help, it takes maturity and dedication that not every teenager can muster. I congratulate you!
For my own halfpenny worth, I could fly before I could drive, but that was only as a PPL back then and I was in my early 20s so I'm not sure it counts. Went on to find that lack of driving licence made getting to airfield for hour building a bit of a pain in the posterior (and it was 700 hours of hour building in those days).
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I can't believe many of you on this post. You have lost the plot completely and signify everything wrong with this industry. Are you all rich kids born with a silver spoon in your mouth or had things given to you on a plate so much that you now expect it as the norm.
Congratulations to this kid, as we all know its an achievement, but he has done no more than the rest.(in fact he has done less!)
I don't hear you lot saying well done to others. Others who have not received a penny from anyone else to fund their training, others who do not have rich parents, others who have had to work hard to save up to fund it all, others who have had to pay every penny for training, food, lodgings , car etc themselves, others who have had to balance training/studing with another job or/and only seeing the wife and kids on a weekend, others who are past 40 and not fresh out of school so study is difficult, others that have sent thousands of CVs out to get that first job, others who have networked, networked and networked, others who have applied for jobs towing gliders, bush flying etc, others who have worked as instructors and others who have built up their hours in the hope of getting that first airline job, others who have also paid for their own TR and passed it etc etc.
I know so so many all the above applies to.
You lot need to get a grip of reality, until then you wont realise just how easy this kid has had it. Oh and dont get me wrong, if my Mother & Father could have funded me and got me a job I would have taken it too. So good luck to him, its you lot on this site that praise him as if its a major achievement that make me sick as you obviously have forgotten or never realised just how hard it is to get that first airline job and fund it all yourself.
NOW GET A GRIP OF THE REAL WORLD!
Congratulations to this kid, as we all know its an achievement, but he has done no more than the rest.(in fact he has done less!)
I don't hear you lot saying well done to others. Others who have not received a penny from anyone else to fund their training, others who do not have rich parents, others who have had to work hard to save up to fund it all, others who have had to pay every penny for training, food, lodgings , car etc themselves, others who have had to balance training/studing with another job or/and only seeing the wife and kids on a weekend, others who are past 40 and not fresh out of school so study is difficult, others that have sent thousands of CVs out to get that first job, others who have networked, networked and networked, others who have applied for jobs towing gliders, bush flying etc, others who have worked as instructors and others who have built up their hours in the hope of getting that first airline job, others who have also paid for their own TR and passed it etc etc.
I know so so many all the above applies to.
You lot need to get a grip of reality, until then you wont realise just how easy this kid has had it. Oh and dont get me wrong, if my Mother & Father could have funded me and got me a job I would have taken it too. So good luck to him, its you lot on this site that praise him as if its a major achievement that make me sick as you obviously have forgotten or never realised just how hard it is to get that first airline job and fund it all yourself.
NOW GET A GRIP OF THE REAL WORLD!