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Can anyone help?
I not following the flight instructor path and i think i'm going to take the ATPL rather than the CPL because i don't need the latter. If i have the CPL would it make any difference to a company hiring or would it just be superfluous to requirements. I was told I only needed the CPL if i wanted to become an instructor and go no further! Is any of this information correct? 
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The information you have have refers to the written exams. All pilots who wish to fly for a living have to have a CPL (becomes an ATPL once you have enough experience). If your desire is to fly airliners, you don't need to do the CPL written exams, at least not in Europe and some other places, or the IR exams. A pass in the ATPL exams will cover you for the issue of both of these.
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and if i studied for the CPL and had the frozen ATPL it would become unfrozen after 1500 hours right? so what would be the point in anyone doing the ATPL? Also if it does not enable you to fly for a living then what does it enable you to do?
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i do wish to fly for an airline so does this mean i don't need the CPL? I don't expect to get a job immediately so i wouldn't mind turboprop, ferry flying and the like. Would i need a CPL for that?
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Have you read LASORS?
I'd go to the CAA website and down load it (or buy it at your local pilot shop) and spend several hours reading it and digesting the info in it.
If you're in a shopping mood, I believe Clive Hughes book is very useful for explaining the various processes that apply in Europe.
In short, fATPL is short hand for CPL/IR* with ATPL exam credits.
You don't need to do CPL theory in Europe, you do the PPL theory and the ATPL theory. The ATPL theory covers CPL, ATPL and IR theory all in 14 fun and thrilling exams.
Then you add in the flying. PPL (assuming you're "modular"), get hours, then train for the CPL and the IR.
You MUST have a CPL for any flying work that you receive a remuneration (eg money) for. The ATPL is achieved once you have the hours (nominally 1500 hours with 500 hours multi pilot, 100 hours night etc) and you've passed the skills test.
*Commercial pilots licence with Instrument Rating
I'd go to the CAA website and down load it (or buy it at your local pilot shop) and spend several hours reading it and digesting the info in it.
If you're in a shopping mood, I believe Clive Hughes book is very useful for explaining the various processes that apply in Europe.
In short, fATPL is short hand for CPL/IR* with ATPL exam credits.
You don't need to do CPL theory in Europe, you do the PPL theory and the ATPL theory. The ATPL theory covers CPL, ATPL and IR theory all in 14 fun and thrilling exams.
Then you add in the flying. PPL (assuming you're "modular"), get hours, then train for the CPL and the IR.
You MUST have a CPL for any flying work that you receive a remuneration (eg money) for. The ATPL is achieved once you have the hours (nominally 1500 hours with 500 hours multi pilot, 100 hours night etc) and you've passed the skills test.
*Commercial pilots licence with Instrument Rating
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Why not wait for someone to reply ... have a little patience.
You need a CPL for enganging in any commericial activity, i.e. one that you get paid for, that answers your questions.
I suggest you get a copy of LASORS from the CAA, as all the information is in there.
You need a CPL for enganging in any commericial activity, i.e. one that you get paid for, that answers your questions.
I suggest you get a copy of LASORS from the CAA, as all the information is in there.
