Can I do PPL/CPL/IR THEN the ATPL Theory?
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Can I do PPL/CPL/IR THEN the ATPL Theory?
Hello and Happy New Year to All,
I did a search for an an answer to the above question but was unable to find an answer.
I was wondering if it would be possible to do all the licenses before doing the ATPL, for instance, if I did my PPL. CPL and IR in say spain and then returned to the UK to do ATPL exams, would I then be given a fATPL by the CAA? Many thanks to anyone that can answer this question,
AS787
I did a search for an an answer to the above question but was unable to find an answer.
I was wondering if it would be possible to do all the licenses before doing the ATPL, for instance, if I did my PPL. CPL and IR in say spain and then returned to the UK to do ATPL exams, would I then be given a fATPL by the CAA? Many thanks to anyone that can answer this question,
AS787
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DPT,
Thanks for the reply and impressively quick as well! so to ask a similar question, is it possible to do ATPL ground school at the same time as the CPL?
AS787
Thanks for the reply and impressively quick as well! so to ask a similar question, is it possible to do ATPL ground school at the same time as the CPL?
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In order to sit ATPL theory exams you must have at minimum a PPL. Also the ATPL study must be completed in conjunction with a recognised flight training organisation. You can complete CPL training alongside CPL exams but these differ from the ATPL exams.
If in doubt search the forums, there are loads of similar threads with invaluble information. Hope that helps.
DPT
If in doubt search the forums, there are loads of similar threads with invaluble information. Hope that helps.
DPT
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An again DPT many thanks for replying. What i simply wanted to do was get all my flight training before I did my theory. I assumed I could complete the PPL, CPL then IR before doing my ATPL theory exams, but looks like I'll have to do it the standard, PPL ATPL Theory, CPL then IR way.
AS787
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Approved Integrated Courses run from zero straight into ATPL theory with out student ever sniffing a cockpit, so I am assuming your comment that you need a PPL to start the theory is probably not true.
Though having said that I do believe most classroom based FTO's require a PPL to start the course, I am not sure if this is the FTO or CAA/JAA requirement .
Though having said that I do believe most classroom based FTO's require a PPL to start the course, I am not sure if this is the FTO or CAA/JAA requirement .
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As far as I am aware for fixed wing (certainly the case for helicopter training), you cannot commence a commercial flying course until you have passed the appropriate theory; either CPL or ATPL theory.
There is no ATPL flying course. An ATPL is granted upon completion of required experience and hours.
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Whirls
There is no ATPL flying course. An ATPL is granted upon completion of required experience and hours.
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Correct integerated works in stages anyway so by the time you get to your ATPL you would have done PPL and many hours of the CPL/IR . You would need to pass the ATPL theory to do any of the check rides .
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Approved Integrated Courses run from zero straight into ATPL theory with out student ever sniffing a cockpit, so I am assuming your comment that you need a PPL to start the theory is probably not true.
I was wondering if it would be possible to do all the licenses before doing the ATPL, for instance, if I did my PPL. CPL and IR in say spain and then returned to the UK to do ATPL exams, would I then be given a fATPL by the CAA? Many thanks to anyone that can answer this question,
Actually my coment IS true as the poster of this thread wasnt asking about integerated which is the only way you can do exams before flying.
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You DEFINETELY do NOT require a PPL to sit the theory exams.
PPL is not required for ATPL theory exam in integrated.
You can do PPL/CPL/IR without doing the ATPL theory, but taking instead the PPL theory, IR theory, CPL theory exams separetely for the respective courses.
The ATPL theory is not something I would run away from, but it is a possibility.
I was wondering if it would be possible to do all the licenses before doing the ATPL, for instance, if I did my PPL. CPL and IR in say spain and then returned to the UK to do ATPL exams, would I then be given a fATPL by the CAA? Many thanks to anyone that can answer this question
YES you can do that.
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Gentlemen/ Ladies, many thanks for your responses.
Whirlygig, the reason I was looking at doing things this way as I wanted to do all my flying exams to ensure continuity, and then do my theory exams alongside pleasure flying to keepy my experience up. It would be a quicker way to get all my licenses as well, and therefore I was willing to do both the cpl and ATPL exams.
AS787
Whirlygig, the reason I was looking at doing things this way as I wanted to do all my flying exams to ensure continuity, and then do my theory exams alongside pleasure flying to keepy my experience up. It would be a quicker way to get all my licenses as well, and therefore I was willing to do both the cpl and ATPL exams.
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CAA Flightcrew Licensing queries can be addressed by visiting:
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or if the answer isn't there, phone +44 (0) 1293 573 700
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Quite simply, nope..
You can take a PPL, then a CPL/IR and then sit the ATPL written.
However, since the ATPL theory can replace the whole CPL/IR theory, this would be a waste of time and money but not a waste of experience. This is why everybody jumps from PPL to ATPL written.
In my opinion sitting the ATPL theory with a CPL/IR in your hands will give you a great advantage.
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F
ing hell......!!!!!! im sure some people just want an argument here.. Seychelles said
The straightforward answer surely is no or loads of people would do it that way.
DPT
ing hell......!!!!!! im sure some people just want an argument here.. Seychelles said
What i simply wanted to do was get all my flight training before I did my theory.
DPT
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It doesn't matter what the regulations say, it's what the organisation's FTO manual says, as these are always more stringent. E.g. You can techincally start your CPL without the ATPL/CPL exams, but I would bet most FTO manuals state the student must have passed the exams.
