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FTO Uniforms

Old 10th Oct 2007, 19:56
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FTO Uniforms

Doing a survey on uniforms at flight schools. Would like to know the following:
Trouser colour
Shirt Colour
Jumper type and colour
Coat type and colour
Tie colour
Epalette type and bars

Mainly interested in Oxford, Cabair, Jerez, Atlantic
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 21:36
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OAT

Trouser colour: Navy
Shirt Colour: White long + short sleeve (with OAT motif)
Jumper type and colour: Both Navy
Coat type and colour: Navy - not sure how you would describe the type
Tie colour: Navy (sensing a theme here?) with a red plane and OAT motif

Epaulette type and bars: Someone else may correct me on this as I have only been there 6-7 weeks, but in ground school you get a single silver bar, when you go to Arizona you get two gold bars and when you get back you get gold wings. I think the modular students only have one gold bar.
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 21:55
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hollingworthp is correct. However, you retain the single silver bar whilst completing all the foundation training in the USA. Once you have completed First Officer Fundamentals, then you get your 2 gold bars and wings.

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Old 10th Oct 2007, 22:08
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Ahh - fair enough. All seems so far away right now
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 22:28
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You're the customer, you spend 50 or 60 grand with them. Why should they be able to specify what you wear? Since you pay, you should be able to specify what THEY wear.
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 22:37
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I think the modular students only have one gold bar.
Yes, it's terribly annoying because it's just not enough to cover up the private bits.
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 23:18
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when you go to Arizona you get two gold bars
the modular students only have one gold bar
Finally a conclusive answer to the ever raging "Modular vs Integrated: which is better?"
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Old 10th Oct 2007, 23:31
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Uniforms......pwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhh........

Slops and shorts........

One is of the constitution that one has to earn the bars.....couple of near death experiences should do it and atleast 1000 hours.....
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 00:00
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if you pass the IR first time (integrated only) you can buy a gold jockstrap and spurs from the afe shop across the road

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Old 11th Oct 2007, 05:09
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Guys - Why the obsession with uniforms? - Are you actually forced to wear them?
 
Old 11th Oct 2007, 06:49
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If you dont like a uniform dont join OAT. Its to get you in the airline mood. I notice that most airlines seem to wear them uniforms, or are you going to say "sorry BA,BMI etc I cant work for you as I dont like a uniform". Probably not.
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 07:33
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Never knew there was such a thing as an "Airline Mood" . IF however you are an employee of an airline, and as part of your employment contract you MUST wear a uniform then that is understandable. Have FTOs put it in writing ie. in Training Agreements that students MUST wear an approved FTO uniform?

It frustrates me that a large number of 'wannabes' are far more interested in uniforms, Epaulettes, and shades rather than focusing on actual flight training.

Thumbs up to all those in marketing!
 
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Unfortunately the case with someone I knew, who unbelievably made it through to starting a type rating. More interested in taking photographs of themself in the aeroplane and fantasising about wearing the uniform rather than the hard reality of passing the conversion course. You can guess what the final outcome was.
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 09:45
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Its to get you in the airline mood.
And thus commences the tunnel vision to "I shall be adorning the right hand seat of an airbus with my 250hrs" (or whatever it is nowadays)

As already stated, airlines insist upon a uniform for valid reasons - company culture (identity), chain of command (seniority) etc etc. I know some FTO's ask for a plain crew shirt and tie...hmm...a little over the top perhaps...but epaulettes? COME ON! You're students for god's sake, not 737 crews! Apart from instilling an air of elitism which will serve little purpose in todays industry where CRM is key, its marketing pure and simple. Look great in the uniform, but if your flying skills suck, they will still suck!

I think the modular students only have one gold bar.
Disgraceful discrimination. So = bars? Oh dear.

Last edited by Finals19; 11th Oct 2007 at 10:06. Reason: Lack of gold bars....
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 11:36
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Marketing is sales. Sex sells. Everyone in the sales & marketing industry plays to this almost without thinking.

Uniforms are sexy. Got to OAT, wear a uniform for a year and start getting laid even before climbing into the RHS (well, thats assuming you can clear up the adolescent acne sufficiently...)

That will be your cunning market plan then .
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 12:02
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Suggest you read this thread about epaulettes. Uniform at an FTO is ever so slightly worrying, IMHO. If you can't use your brain until you have a uniform on, what does that say about you?
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IRRenewal - You have successfully turned this thread around! Well done son!

Boo to FTO uniforms!
 
Old 11th Oct 2007, 12:50
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You're the customer, you spend 50 or 60 grand with them. Why should they be able to specify what you wear? Since you pay, you should be able to specify what THEY wear.
I second .Aero - nice one IRRenewal...

For spending 50-60 grand with them, you should get free beer in the evening, complimentary table dancers, and complimentary swedish masseuses...

Now THAT would definitely give the "airline mood" and prepare you for life down route (less the free bit unfortunately!)
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 14:56
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I think this shows one thing, when you attend at oxford for a look round you are told that there is no bias toward Int over Mod students , but when you actually look at it they wear different epaulettes so they can be identified from a thousand yards , now why on earth would that be hmmmmmmm
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Old 11th Oct 2007, 15:37
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Most uniforms I have seen revert to cheap pilot shirts, an itchy 100% pure wool "NATO" jumper complete with pads and eppy holders and generic suit trousers.

You can get all the above and the same for much cheaper from a SECURITY GUARD supplier.

Be wary of people mistaking for that, the fuzz or a fireman in the supermarket.

I don't intend to wear uniform until I am being paid for my services.
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