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Wanted to post a short note for anyone who is thinking about or about to undertake a MCC. Learn your S.O.Ps and memorey items for emergencies and look at your flight detail the night before. I just recently completed my MCC with someone who did none of the above, and hence my workload was three times what it should have been. Its not a pass fail course I know but it should be. If you want to make life easy for yourself and who dos'nt BE PREPARED AND LEARN THE AFOREMENTIONED, if you dont you will struggle and you will but yourself and your flying partner under unecessary pressure. Anyone who disagrees let me know.
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It is now possible to not have the MCC certificate issued on course completion,ie, to fail. You must attain an average of 4 or above for the various exercise. Having said that you would have to be pretty poor to not do better than than an average of 4.
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At least U220, you didn't have your MCC partner crash the SIM on 4 occasions as he didn't quite get basic single engine procedures. Especially shocking seeing as though he was fresh from his Multi IR training.
He was sent for remedial training after the MCC.
Shocking stuff. He even broke the SIM!!!
He was sent for remedial training after the MCC.
Shocking stuff. He even broke the SIM!!!
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It has always been the right of the FTO to withhold an MCC certificate from a customer who has failed to put up a decent performance.
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PiperGirl,
What type of Sim you did you're MCC on? The one I completed my MCC on, if I had flown single engine the same way I had done on the Multi IR then I would have crashed to! IE use of the rudder to recover from engine failure... And how is this shocking when the poor guy has probably stepped out of a PA34 or similar into a Jet sim for the first time.
The MCC is there to teach you the skills of crew coordination not how to fly the plane, the type rating is for that..
What type of Sim you did you're MCC on? The one I completed my MCC on, if I had flown single engine the same way I had done on the Multi IR then I would have crashed to! IE use of the rudder to recover from engine failure... And how is this shocking when the poor guy has probably stepped out of a PA34 or similar into a Jet sim for the first time.
The MCC is there to teach you the skills of crew coordination not how to fly the plane, the type rating is for that..
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I know what you're saying but this boiled down to poor handling skills on his part to be very honest. And I think if you saw what I saw, you'd be of the same opinion! He was pounding the pedals (now I mean POUNDING) back and forth and then was putting huge corrections in with the control column.
Like, when I first did the single engine flying, I found the difference between a Duchess and the Jet Sim a hell of a lot different, so much so, the difference almost caught me out, but it didn't as I managed to control it and settle it down. Now, I am not saying that I am 5h17hot or anything like it, -I was fresh from my ME IR as well- yet I didn't have that problem. I just did what I had to do and I applied the knowledge I had and that should have been no different to what he would have learnt himself.
I know that we can all have a wee bit of bad luck and things can sometimes go a bit belly up for us, but this was a bit different.
I know what you are saying about it isn't a type-rating, it isn't, but were briefed on the bits we needed to know (nothing too detailed at all)..and we had the same amount of time each to get used to the handling of the SIM (nothing too technical or detailed). Yes, it is a course about improving communication etc, but if the person you are with can't do a simple, or what I would class a simple skill from ME training, (which is required for the course) time is going to be wasted on doing what you need to be doing or what you paid to do. And I agree, the MCC is not a course to teach you how to fly...with a CPL, ME/IR, I should bloody hope you would have picked up those skills by the MCC!!!!!
I felt it was detrimental to my MCC course. I am sorry if I come across harsh, but if you witnessed what I saw and the attitude of this guy as well, you wouldn't think I was being harsh at all.
Like, when I first did the single engine flying, I found the difference between a Duchess and the Jet Sim a hell of a lot different, so much so, the difference almost caught me out, but it didn't as I managed to control it and settle it down. Now, I am not saying that I am 5h17hot or anything like it, -I was fresh from my ME IR as well- yet I didn't have that problem. I just did what I had to do and I applied the knowledge I had and that should have been no different to what he would have learnt himself.
I know that we can all have a wee bit of bad luck and things can sometimes go a bit belly up for us, but this was a bit different.
I know what you are saying about it isn't a type-rating, it isn't, but were briefed on the bits we needed to know (nothing too detailed at all)..and we had the same amount of time each to get used to the handling of the SIM (nothing too technical or detailed). Yes, it is a course about improving communication etc, but if the person you are with can't do a simple, or what I would class a simple skill from ME training, (which is required for the course) time is going to be wasted on doing what you need to be doing or what you paid to do. And I agree, the MCC is not a course to teach you how to fly...with a CPL, ME/IR, I should bloody hope you would have picked up those skills by the MCC!!!!!
I felt it was detrimental to my MCC course. I am sorry if I come across harsh, but if you witnessed what I saw and the attitude of this guy as well, you wouldn't think I was being harsh at all.
