Ravenair - Northwest Flying Schools
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From: Latin America
you can have a first officers job without a frozen atpl, you could have a first officers job with a comercial + ir hell you could be a captain! You'd be flying freight and you'd be bloody lucky if you pulled it off, but you could.
Crap Pilot, where is this "hour building for a tenner" going on, whether you need to buid hours or not I fancy some of that if it exists and doesn't involve the foolishness of buying a share in an aircraft.
D'vay
Crap Pilot, where is this "hour building for a tenner" going on, whether you need to buid hours or not I fancy some of that if it exists and doesn't involve the foolishness of buying a share in an aircraft.
D'vay
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From: Wigan
Im not sure what you meen about it being foolish to buy a share, if you want to pay 2 or 3 times more to rent a (usually older and poorer quality) aircraft, then surely that is the more foolish option.
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From: Wirral, UK
Ravenair - Northwest Flying Schools
Hi
Has anyone ever done CPL training with Ravenair in liverpool? If yes what did they think and have they found success in finding a commercial job as a result of training with Ravenair incomparision to some of the bigger flight schools?
Also, can anyone else recommend any other flying schools within the Northwest which offer CPL training?
Am trying to find out whether spending 50k with a smaller flying school will hinder my chances incomparison to spending the money with a bigger flying school.
thanks
Has anyone ever done CPL training with Ravenair in liverpool? If yes what did they think and have they found success in finding a commercial job as a result of training with Ravenair incomparision to some of the bigger flight schools?
Also, can anyone else recommend any other flying schools within the Northwest which offer CPL training?
Am trying to find out whether spending 50k with a smaller flying school will hinder my chances incomparison to spending the money with a bigger flying school.
thanks
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From: The pits of lancashire
Knockyoak... Theres not many in the Northwest mate . Ravenair possibly the best up here but ive heard some good reports about JD Aviation at Manchester. Im with ravenair, there prices are decent enough and training top notch .
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From: UK
The north west is in my opinion crying out for decent CPL/IR training providers. All there is is Raven Air and JD aviation in Manc, who I believe are fairly small scale operations. Given the large population in the area ud have thought there'd be a market.
Most trainie pilots I know from the NW have grudgingly had to move down south to get hold of decent training. If a "large scale" training outfit, similar to eg Stapleford or Cabair was set up somewhere like Hawarden or Liverpool, they'd make a killing I reckon.
Most trainie pilots I know from the NW have grudgingly had to move down south to get hold of decent training. If a "large scale" training outfit, similar to eg Stapleford or Cabair was set up somewhere like Hawarden or Liverpool, they'd make a killing I reckon.
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Hi All,
55K is a lot of money whichever way you look at it but a course like that does have one big advantage. Consistency. It's an intensive course ( which may not suit all) that will allow you to complete the training in the shortest time possible. Shorter time means sooner in the job market which means sooner you pick up the salary to pay it off. Better still, look into an Airline sponsorship if you can, regardless of the 60k or whatever bond. If you land a jet job with 200 hours, You wont be leaving for the first 4-5 years anyway, so the bond is somewhat immaterial.
As an aside, I started out my flying career with Ravenair back in '86,when they had a hangar on Manchester Airport southside. Yes, where rwy 24L is now! Geff was there then along with a guy called Chris Entwhistle who was a First Officer for Britannia and I found Ravenair very professional. Flying out of a major Airport like that was also a confidence booster although it did equate to extra expense. After approx 40+ hours of PPL training, I managed to get a sponsorship with Britannia which involved a very considerable at that time 8K non refundable deposit and another 8K paid from my salary over 5 years upon joining the B737 fleet as a wide eyed Second Officer. Twenty years later,and the ripe 'old' age of forty, as a Captain on the B777 I am fortunate enough to earn that amount per month.
Yes, it was worth all the hard work and expense. I don't envy what you guys ( and girls!) have to go through but if you want it as much as I wanted it back then, it will be worth it. Would I do it all again? You bet I would!
Good luck to you and best wishes in you future careers
BYMONEK
55K is a lot of money whichever way you look at it but a course like that does have one big advantage. Consistency. It's an intensive course ( which may not suit all) that will allow you to complete the training in the shortest time possible. Shorter time means sooner in the job market which means sooner you pick up the salary to pay it off. Better still, look into an Airline sponsorship if you can, regardless of the 60k or whatever bond. If you land a jet job with 200 hours, You wont be leaving for the first 4-5 years anyway, so the bond is somewhat immaterial.
As an aside, I started out my flying career with Ravenair back in '86,when they had a hangar on Manchester Airport southside. Yes, where rwy 24L is now! Geff was there then along with a guy called Chris Entwhistle who was a First Officer for Britannia and I found Ravenair very professional. Flying out of a major Airport like that was also a confidence booster although it did equate to extra expense. After approx 40+ hours of PPL training, I managed to get a sponsorship with Britannia which involved a very considerable at that time 8K non refundable deposit and another 8K paid from my salary over 5 years upon joining the B737 fleet as a wide eyed Second Officer. Twenty years later,and the ripe 'old' age of forty, as a Captain on the B777 I am fortunate enough to earn that amount per month.
Yes, it was worth all the hard work and expense. I don't envy what you guys ( and girls!) have to go through but if you want it as much as I wanted it back then, it will be worth it. Would I do it all again? You bet I would!
Good luck to you and best wishes in you future careers
BYMONEK
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From: North West
Fun flight....
Hi all
I already have a fATPL under my belt (CPL/IR to the pedantic!)
As many will know all the family and friends ask if i can take them up for a flight etc
I haven't looked into this too much as yet but flying out of liverpool would be my ideal location as its close to home for family and friends.
My question therefore goes to those people who might have been in a similar situation or can offer some advice as to the a/c available, procedures neccessary to take one (ie if a check ride might be needed) and costs (whether everything is included in the price)
All info that is USEFUL is welcomed..
thanks
Adam
I already have a fATPL under my belt (CPL/IR to the pedantic!)
As many will know all the family and friends ask if i can take them up for a flight etc
I haven't looked into this too much as yet but flying out of liverpool would be my ideal location as its close to home for family and friends.
My question therefore goes to those people who might have been in a similar situation or can offer some advice as to the a/c available, procedures neccessary to take one (ie if a check ride might be needed) and costs (whether everything is included in the price)
All info that is USEFUL is welcomed..
thanks
Adam
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From: North West
As others have said, ravenair and JD aviation are the 2 CPL/ir schools in the North west. I did a cpl with JD last year and found that although a small outfit, they are very thorough and were good value. Mr JD is a SATCO and ex ravenair aoc pilot, there is a wealth of experience to learn from. I know plenty of people who have trained at ravenair for cpl/ir and were very happy also.
Main drawback I saw at Ravenair is that initial parts of cpl and IR are done on a Tomahawk, which I think is of limited value in getting you used to a more complex aircraft that you sit the test in. I understand they are getting a new fnptII sim shortly so that should help a good deal.
The main things I looked for in a cpl ir school were financial stability, aircraft availability, speed and continuity of training and gut feeling on meeting instructors and the setup in general.
Main drawback I saw at Ravenair is that initial parts of cpl and IR are done on a Tomahawk, which I think is of limited value in getting you used to a more complex aircraft that you sit the test in. I understand they are getting a new fnptII sim shortly so that should help a good deal.
The main things I looked for in a cpl ir school were financial stability, aircraft availability, speed and continuity of training and gut feeling on meeting instructors and the setup in general.
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Wahey! A happy pilot who has a sucess story and makes money.... You sir should be stuffed and mounted in a museum. Well done theres not many of you on here
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