Jerez V Oxford: Again!
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Well said Grass Strip Basher. The bigger issue is sometimes overlooked, such as future implications of today's financial shortcomings. OATS is good but when you have to pay for it yourself you need to think twice about justifying your actions. After all if OATS graduates were they only ones who got jobs then the other schools would be out on the ear hole in an instance.
You may indeed get the job upon or near graduation but is that really worth the extra cost in fact you could save bucket loads of money and pick up a job a little later, perhaps? We need to think about justifying the money coming from our pockets rather than FTOs justifying it for us. Fine that's what they say it costs, but what about your own personal affordability? Even if you attend the APP at OATs and get a job straight off the bat you still have a mountain of cash to payback with all the continuing constraints of life that will run parallel to that. For example relationship breakdown, loss of licence (it's doesn't just happen to the other guy), redundancy, fate .... that God forbid you fall ill.
It's somewhat similiar to those people who risk those borderline illegal 7 times mortgage deals just to get onto the property ladder and then run at their personal limit just to keep their head above the water. Though at the same time others avoid that fiasco and buy something smaller or elsewhere.
I think that OATs is a clever company that loves to impose itself upon the industry, tha's fine but we shouldn't be so easily suckered into their promises.
Just an ounce of common sense that's all.
You may indeed get the job upon or near graduation but is that really worth the extra cost in fact you could save bucket loads of money and pick up a job a little later, perhaps? We need to think about justifying the money coming from our pockets rather than FTOs justifying it for us. Fine that's what they say it costs, but what about your own personal affordability? Even if you attend the APP at OATs and get a job straight off the bat you still have a mountain of cash to payback with all the continuing constraints of life that will run parallel to that. For example relationship breakdown, loss of licence (it's doesn't just happen to the other guy), redundancy, fate .... that God forbid you fall ill.
It's somewhat similiar to those people who risk those borderline illegal 7 times mortgage deals just to get onto the property ladder and then run at their personal limit just to keep their head above the water. Though at the same time others avoid that fiasco and buy something smaller or elsewhere.
I think that OATs is a clever company that loves to impose itself upon the industry, tha's fine but we shouldn't be so easily suckered into their promises.
Just an ounce of common sense that's all.
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As far as topics go, this entire thread, in my opinion, is one that everyone who is considering self funding their training should read! Some very good stuff has been said here by some very sensible people.
With personal experience in this area, it is immediately evident from a visit to places such as OAT, that they have devoted a lot of their revenue into their sales and marketing strategy. They do have some degree of reputation to support their claims, and while they will never actually state that their advertised route guarantees a job, they leave a lot of people believing that it actually does! Any good marketing man or woman will tell you, a successful business is not down to telling people what you can or will do; it's having people actually believe that you are able to do it and will do it! If you effectively sell someone the dream, the person will pull out all the stops to buy it! There are no longer any options or alternatives out there and some how money no longer becomes a problem. In my opinion places like Oxford know this, and rely upon it! The experience of the sales & marketing department really justifies the price - and thats not being cynical, that's business!
With personal experience in this area, it is immediately evident from a visit to places such as OAT, that they have devoted a lot of their revenue into their sales and marketing strategy. They do have some degree of reputation to support their claims, and while they will never actually state that their advertised route guarantees a job, they leave a lot of people believing that it actually does! Any good marketing man or woman will tell you, a successful business is not down to telling people what you can or will do; it's having people actually believe that you are able to do it and will do it! If you effectively sell someone the dream, the person will pull out all the stops to buy it! There are no longer any options or alternatives out there and some how money no longer becomes a problem. In my opinion places like Oxford know this, and rely upon it! The experience of the sales & marketing department really justifies the price - and thats not being cynical, that's business!
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At the end of the day ,it is YOU that the airline is going to employ...not Oxford or Jerez. IMHO the only issue that concerned me when i chose my FTO was quality and cost of training although i must admit that i was slightly seduced by Oxford's marketing Facade.
Having said that oxford's training was top notch.
Having said that oxford's training was top notch.
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OAT ----Halls stupidly expensive. So find rental property and pay for own meals and beer and get up early to get into OAT each morning blah blah blah in the rain.
FTE ----- all accomodation on site and paid for along with 3 squares a day. Only money required is for beer which at happy hour works out at 40p a pint. Or 1.50 Euro the rest of the time mmmmmmmmmmm. Oh and buying hi-lighters because you forgot to bring any with you.
Other wise the choice is totally upto personal preference.
C'est fin.
FTE ----- all accomodation on site and paid for along with 3 squares a day. Only money required is for beer which at happy hour works out at 40p a pint. Or 1.50 Euro the rest of the time mmmmmmmmmmm. Oh and buying hi-lighters because you forgot to bring any with you.
Other wise the choice is totally upto personal preference.
C'est fin.
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Living expenses, travel, and heaven forbid should you need them; exam and test resit fees, extra lessons, and finally, the pres de resistance, the £20,000 for the TYPE RATING that you will probably have to shell out for!!
Some others told me to forget budgeting for £60,000 - it would take £80,000+; especially if you were living away from home.
Living expenses, travel, and heaven forbid should you need them; exam and test resit fees, extra lessons, and finally, the pres de resistance, the £20,000 for the TYPE RATING that you will probably have to shell out for!!
Some others told me to forget budgeting for £60,000 - it would take £80,000+; especially if you were living away from home.
First of all I have to say that I´m Spanish, and even EFT is "closer" to my home, I´m seriously looking to roll into OAT. For sure first I need to do the skills assesments. But I was wondering if someone who had been there doing his training could say how much more or less he spent during all the course. (course, living expenses, whatever normal expense)
I was expecting 1000pounds per month (18months), cos living expenses are almost 600pounds. So it will be 62000pounds plus + 18000pounds = 80000pounds for all the program? Or this is gonna be shorter?
Thank you!
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Could you please explain with more detail, what you mean about paying 20,000 pounds more for the TYPE RATING? That is not included in the price as integrated course is?
First of all I have to say that I´m Spanish, and even EFT is "closer" to my home, I´m seriously looking to roll into OAT.
Thank you!
First of all I have to say that I´m Spanish, and even EFT is "closer" to my home, I´m seriously looking to roll into OAT.
Thank you!
... If you want a TR with line training you'll need to find £20k ot get with an airline that will give you a bond (they will pay the costs and you'll have the repayments deducted from your earnings over 5 years).You must really live on the West Coast of Spain if EFT is closer you than OAT
... I know Florida is a few thousand miles west from where I am 
Good luck no matter what you choose.
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Yes! You are right! I ment FTE (Flight Training Europe) in Jerez, sorry!! It´s all because I´ve been looking a lot of time to EFT, so that made the confusion!
So doesn´t matter where I do my training? I will need to pay 20k for the TYPE RATING? So I hope in the future the airline will pay it for me, when hiring me jajaj! If not this is gonna be as expensiver career as I thought!!!! Cos 80,000 pounds for the whole training and then another 20,000 for the TR, is too much money for me! MY GOD NEVER THOUGHT, THIS COULD BE SO EXPENSIVE!!
It´s all because I´ve been looking a lot of time to EFT, so that made the confusion!So doesn´t matter where I do my training? I will need to pay 20k for the TYPE RATING? So I hope in the future the airline will pay it for me, when hiring me jajaj! If not this is gonna be as expensiver career as I thought!!!! Cos 80,000 pounds for the whole training and then another 20,000 for the TR, is too much money for me! MY GOD NEVER THOUGHT, THIS COULD BE SO EXPENSIVE!!
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Yes! You are right! I ment FTE (Flight Training Europe) in Jerez, sorry!!
So doesn´t matter where I do my training? I will need to pay 20k for the TYPE RATING? Cos 80,000 pounds for the whole training and then another 20,000 for the TR, is too much money for me! MY GOD NEVER THOUGHT, THIS COULD BE SO EXPENSIVE!!
So doesn´t matter where I do my training? I will need to pay 20k for the TYPE RATING? Cos 80,000 pounds for the whole training and then another 20,000 for the TR, is too much money for me! MY GOD NEVER THOUGHT, THIS COULD BE SO EXPENSIVE!!
But yes, after you complete the training fATPL (ATPL exams and CPL/IR/MCC) which is what OAT / CabAir / FTE will offer, you will be looking at the other threads of people on here who have also done the course and can't get a job without a TR. So your then in a position where do you spend £20k on a A320 / 737 TR + Line Training and up your chances of a pilot job? £100,000 spent on training and no real guarentee of a job
.Going modular will save you money but then if you look at threads on Modular v Integrated (that's another story) you might save yourself money but as the rumours go might have even less chance of getting a job against a person who did the 'Integrated course'. I don't have £100,000 so I have no choice
.Good luck - plenty of Airlines will offer bonds so try and keep your head up.
Andrew
