How long are your ATPL ground exams valid?
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How long are your ATPL ground exams valid?
You know now you have to do your driving theory and it only lasts 2 years for you to pass your driving test and then it runs out, well is this the same as the ground exams? or do they last forever?
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From: エリア88
For PPL
Its similar with the ATPL: 18 months to pass them all but like CAT3C AUTOLAND says, you have 36 months to complete your CPL/IR before the exam credits expire and thats "from the end of the month of the date of the final pass in the examinations."
An applicant shall be deemed to have successfully
completed the theoretical examinations for the
JAR-FCL PPL(A) when awarded a pass in all of
the above examinations within a period of 18
months. A pass will be accepted for the grant of
a JAR-FCL PPL(A) during the 24 months from
the date of successfully completing all of the
theoretical knowledge examinations.
completed the theoretical examinations for the
JAR-FCL PPL(A) when awarded a pass in all of
the above examinations within a period of 18
months. A pass will be accepted for the grant of
a JAR-FCL PPL(A) during the 24 months from
the date of successfully completing all of the
theoretical knowledge examinations.
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From: UK
CPL ground exams - valididity (different question)
ATPL theory examinations are only valid for 3 years, in which time you have to undertake the flying (I think)
My question is this: If you take the CPL exams, with view to instructing, and you elect to do the FI course after passing the writtens, (WITHOUT taking the CPL flying course - unremunerated instruction), how are your exams kept current?
My question is this: If you take the CPL exams, with view to instructing, and you elect to do the FI course after passing the writtens, (WITHOUT taking the CPL flying course - unremunerated instruction), how are your exams kept current?
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From: Europe!
Ground school to full ATPL, how long have you got?
How long are the ATPL ground exams valid for once you have a CPL/IR. ie. How long do you have to gain your ATPL?
If you walk straight into an airline job the month after passing your IR on something fulfilling the ATPL requirements it's still going to take 18 months to two years to get 1,500 hours i guess.
I think they might be valid for five years from last ATPL ground exam until applying for the ATPL but i'm not totally sure. Can anyone clear this up for me?
Also, if the ground school exams do lapse, what does this mean? Is your CPL invalid too? Do you have to resit a full ground course or can you just sit the exams again?
Cheers
If you walk straight into an airline job the month after passing your IR on something fulfilling the ATPL requirements it's still going to take 18 months to two years to get 1,500 hours i guess.
I think they might be valid for five years from last ATPL ground exam until applying for the ATPL but i'm not totally sure. Can anyone clear this up for me?
Also, if the ground school exams do lapse, what does this mean? Is your CPL invalid too? Do you have to resit a full ground course or can you just sit the exams again?
Cheers
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From: エリア88
As long as you have some form of IR current (SPA/MPA-SE or ME etc.) within the last 7 years, your ATPL theory remains valid.
In reference to the SPA ME/IR, If you allow your IR to lapse by 5 years you will only have to retake the flight test with a CAAFU examiner again.
If you allow your IR to lapse by 7 years, you would be left with a CPL (as long as you have had it re-issued of course). If you wanted an ATPL you would have to retake the exams or if you just wanted your IR back you could just do the IR theory. After the flight test that would give you a CPL/IR again but you wont be able to upgrade to an ATPL without resitting the 13 exams (no VFR comms needed).
I think you can just sit the exams again but dont quote me. If I remember correctly the book says "training as required" Head of Trainings discretion.
In reference to the SPA ME/IR, If you allow your IR to lapse by 5 years you will only have to retake the flight test with a CAAFU examiner again.
If you allow your IR to lapse by 7 years, you would be left with a CPL (as long as you have had it re-issued of course). If you wanted an ATPL you would have to retake the exams or if you just wanted your IR back you could just do the IR theory. After the flight test that would give you a CPL/IR again but you wont be able to upgrade to an ATPL without resitting the 13 exams (no VFR comms needed).
Do you have to resit a full ground course or can you just sit the exams again?
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From: dublin
atpl credit lapse?
Lads,I was hoping you might be able to clarify this for me.
I passed my last atpl exam in feb 2005(so these are valid until feb2008)is that right?Since then,I've gotten my cpl but am now conidering doing the instructor rating and putting the me-ir on hold,because of work restraints etc.So basicly I was wondering what would happen if I don't get the ir before the atpl credits expire?Would I need to do the atpl's all over again before adding the ir and going for an airline job?
Cheers,boys!
I passed my last atpl exam in feb 2005(so these are valid until feb2008)is that right?Since then,I've gotten my cpl but am now conidering doing the instructor rating and putting the me-ir on hold,because of work restraints etc.So basicly I was wondering what would happen if I don't get the ir before the atpl credits expire?Would I need to do the atpl's all over again before adding the ir and going for an airline job?
Cheers,boys!
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From: UK
Page 341 of LASORS is what you want. Basically you have 36 months from passing your last ATPL exam to get BOTH the CPL and IR. Failure to do so means ALL of your credits lapse and you get the joy of resitting them. There is a slight concession that you might be exempt from classroom instruction though so you find yourself in this uncomfortable position. Aw ain't that nice of them eh
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From: エリア88
What you would end up with is a CPL with CPL theory. If you wanted an IR you would have to do the IR theory (which is fairly easy) and the IR training. However, If you wanted a fATPL you would have to do ALL the exams again (minus VFR comms.). As potkettleblack said, the CAA may allow you to be exept from doing the mandatory in-school revision study.
You could consider doing a single engine IR as that may save you some money in the short term and keep your ATPL valid...Sadly, when you upgrade to a twin you will have to do the full ME/IR test.
You could consider doing a single engine IR as that may save you some money in the short term and keep your ATPL valid...Sadly, when you upgrade to a twin you will have to do the full ME/IR test.
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From: Lost
All those posts clarify, without any doubt, regards the validity of the fATPL. However, how long is the ATPL valid, AFTER you've taken the CPL and IR Skill tests? ie. you've taken the ATPL theory exams, AND completed the skil tests within 36 months off writing the exams...what next??
Could someone also shed some light on the actual ATPL and if there's a separate skill test for that as well...
Could someone also shed some light on the actual ATPL and if there's a separate skill test for that as well...
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From: Christchurch NZ
NavPilot, LASORS is your friend - sections G and J. The ATPL theory passes are good for 36 months for you to get a CPL and IR - then good for obtaining an ATPL provided you meet the other requirements within 7 years of the most recent IR renewal.
There is an ATPL Skill Test, to be taken in an appropriate multi-pilot aircraft (or sim, presumably), which may be combined with the test for issuing or revalidating such a type rating. You can only take it after you meet the other requirements for ATPL issue (flying hours in particular).
There is an ATPL Skill Test, to be taken in an appropriate multi-pilot aircraft (or sim, presumably), which may be combined with the test for issuing or revalidating such a type rating. You can only take it after you meet the other requirements for ATPL issue (flying hours in particular).
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From: southwest
adding an IR to a UK CPL
This all sounds very like the case of a friend of mine. He has a UK CPL and completed the UK ATPL exams in early 2002. He started his instrument rating in 2002 and then unfortunately had to stop part way through his training. Now he is in a position to re-start his IR training and is being told by the CAA that he has to sit 7 JAR exams before he can start his flying. It sounds completely ridiculous to me, surely there is no benefit in making him jump through that hoop again. I believe he is trying to a get a written definitive response. i was told recently by a very wise chap that LASORS isn't always totally accurate and is only an interpretation of JAR-FCL rules, so it may be worth pursuing.