ME & IR questions (inc. renewal)
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From: North of CDG
When you receive/collect your licence back from the CAA (after you forked out £100 for the privilege), the page "ratings to be revalidated" will mention "737 EFIS (or -NG, or A320, or whatever you did your type rating on)/IR".
In other words, your IR will be specific to turbine aircraft, therefore it will NOT renew/revalidate your MEP/IR. For that, there is no substitute for renewing your IR on a MEP aircraft, or an approved sim (typically an FNPT II).
While I can't point to the exact paragraph of LASORS, I got that a couple of days ago from AFT's CFI, who happens to know LASORS backwards (sad, isn't it?)
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In other words, your IR will be specific to turbine aircraft, therefore it will NOT renew/revalidate your MEP/IR. For that, there is no substitute for renewing your IR on a MEP aircraft, or an approved sim (typically an FNPT II).
While I can't point to the exact paragraph of LASORS, I got that a couple of days ago from AFT's CFI, who happens to know LASORS backwards (sad, isn't it?)
Cheers
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From: Denmark
ME & IR Renewal
Hello Everybody
I HAve UK JAA licences but Im a danish citizen and live i DK. My SEP and IR/ME are about to expire and I need to revalidate them - I have emailed the CAA 3 times with no answer so now I have turned to you guys.
The SEP class rating requires that I have flown 12 hrs the last 12 months og have had a PFC within tha last 12 months also - I meet these requirements - but its the administrative part Im strugling with - I assume the CAA in UK need some kind of paperwork in order for me to have the SEP class ratin revalidated for another 2 yrs right ?
Last time I had it revalidated by P. Thompson he filled out some paperwork and sent it off to the CAA and he signed my rating-sheet in my license
What do I do now as Im in Denmark - whos gonna fill out the paperwork or can I do it my self and send copies of my logbook and latest PFC along with it to the CAA who will then approve this ??
please help
Jannik
I HAve UK JAA licences but Im a danish citizen and live i DK. My SEP and IR/ME are about to expire and I need to revalidate them - I have emailed the CAA 3 times with no answer so now I have turned to you guys.
The SEP class rating requires that I have flown 12 hrs the last 12 months og have had a PFC within tha last 12 months also - I meet these requirements - but its the administrative part Im strugling with - I assume the CAA in UK need some kind of paperwork in order for me to have the SEP class ratin revalidated for another 2 yrs right ?
Last time I had it revalidated by P. Thompson he filled out some paperwork and sent it off to the CAA and he signed my rating-sheet in my license
What do I do now as Im in Denmark - whos gonna fill out the paperwork or can I do it my self and send copies of my logbook and latest PFC along with it to the CAA who will then approve this ??
please help
Jannik
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Coincidence? Scary.
Anyway, Jannik, you CANNOT sign your own licence page - you have to find a JAA examiner and get them to sign the page BEFORE the expiry date for the SEP.
They are required to do this, free of charge, if you can show them log book evidence of having met the "last 12 months requirements" of which you speak. (12 hours total in SEP, at least 6 of them in command, at least 12 take-offs and landings, either one hour with a JAA qualified instructor OR any fixed wing flight test (the MEP for example)).
YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL are responsible to ensure that this is done BEFORE midnight on the day of expiry listed in your licence or your rating will lapse and you must take a flight test with an examiner to renew it. YOU are responsible for sending the correct form to the UK CAA even though the last one was sent for you - to make sure it got there. http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/FORSRG1119.PDF
For either the MEP or the Instrument Rating (IR-SPA-ME) - you must take a test every 12 months - so it doesn't matter if it expires, as the test will renew them.
If you have any more questions ASK before the expiry date of that rating!!!
Anyway, Jannik, you CANNOT sign your own licence page - you have to find a JAA examiner and get them to sign the page BEFORE the expiry date for the SEP.
They are required to do this, free of charge, if you can show them log book evidence of having met the "last 12 months requirements" of which you speak. (12 hours total in SEP, at least 6 of them in command, at least 12 take-offs and landings, either one hour with a JAA qualified instructor OR any fixed wing flight test (the MEP for example)).
YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL are responsible to ensure that this is done BEFORE midnight on the day of expiry listed in your licence or your rating will lapse and you must take a flight test with an examiner to renew it. YOU are responsible for sending the correct form to the UK CAA even though the last one was sent for you - to make sure it got there. http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/FORSRG1119.PDF
For either the MEP or the Instrument Rating (IR-SPA-ME) - you must take a test every 12 months - so it doesn't matter if it expires, as the test will renew them.
If you have any more questions ASK before the expiry date of that rating!!!
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From: uk
I would think it is ok to renew the IR on a plane without medical.From what i know you dont need a medical to fly the simulator,i dont see why you need the medical to fly the plane when you will have someone else on board who will be the PIC.
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From: uk
I just asked CAA about medical requirements when doing a flight test for an IR renewal and they told me that the Medical doesnt have to be valid when conducting a skill test because the examiner will be PIC and use his medical.
Im trying to find this information in the JAR but i cant find it,anyone knows where i should look?
Im trying to find this information in the JAR but i cant find it,anyone knows where i should look?
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From: Forbidden Paradise
ME/IR questions
My question for anyone who might know is:
If I do the single engine JAA CPL, and then the multi engine IR, does the multi engine rating transfer to the CPL, or is a separate rating and flight training course required?
I already hold an FAA CPL ME-IR.
If I do the single engine JAA CPL, and then the multi engine IR, does the multi engine rating transfer to the CPL, or is a separate rating and flight training course required?
I already hold an FAA CPL ME-IR.
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From: Bournemouth, England
JS3
When you complete your CPL application form you are asked whether you want the CPL issued for s/e aircraft or m/e aircraft.
You can tick both boxes if you want it issued against both ratings. The CAA may, or may not, charge you an extra £100 if you want it issued against both.
You will have an SEP class rating by virtue of the fact that you have done a s/e CPL.
You will have to do a JAA MEP test to convert your non-JAA MEP to a JAA one. This should be done before your IR skill test.
Linda
When you complete your CPL application form you are asked whether you want the CPL issued for s/e aircraft or m/e aircraft.
You can tick both boxes if you want it issued against both ratings. The CAA may, or may not, charge you an extra £100 if you want it issued against both.
You will have an SEP class rating by virtue of the fact that you have done a s/e CPL.
You will have to do a JAA MEP test to convert your non-JAA MEP to a JAA one. This should be done before your IR skill test.
Linda
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From: London
You need the multi-engine rating to do a ME IR - so your sequence would probably be CPL - MEP - IR. The MEP rating will of course be valid on your CPL.
When renewing the IR every 12 months, you normally renew your MEP rating in the same checkride - I don't know if you can do your IR skill test and MEP skill test in one single test, adding both MEP and IR at the same time.
If you have to go through an approved CPL course, there is an option to do the CPL in a ME and do a single skill test for CPL and ME rating. This saves a few flying hours.
C.
When renewing the IR every 12 months, you normally renew your MEP rating in the same checkride - I don't know if you can do your IR skill test and MEP skill test in one single test, adding both MEP and IR at the same time.
If you have to go through an approved CPL course, there is an option to do the CPL in a ME and do a single skill test for CPL and ME rating. This saves a few flying hours.
C.
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From: Westward TV
The CPL is a licence. Multi Engine Piston, Single Engine Piston, Instrument Rating are ratings that are added to a licence.
If you hold a CPL and then do your MEP rating, the MEP rating is added to your CPL. The actual MEP course is the same regardless of the level of licence held.
And billie bob to clarify your comment. You need to have completed and passed your MEP rating prior to sitting the IR test. However you only need to have completed the training for a MEP rating prior to starting the IR course.
If you hold a CPL and then do your MEP rating, the MEP rating is added to your CPL. The actual MEP course is the same regardless of the level of licence held.
And billie bob to clarify your comment. You need to have completed and passed your MEP rating prior to sitting the IR test. However you only need to have completed the training for a MEP rating prior to starting the IR course.
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From: EGYD
Originally Posted by SimJock
So when you get your CPL what do you do with your PPL ? exchange it, bin it, file it ?
They ask you to transfer the ratings page - but it basically get superseded by your Commercial...then it will expire...so your commercial will be the only valid licence you have.
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From: where it's yellow not green
ME/IR Revalidation
Hi all, got to revalidate my ME/IR asap as theres a job relying on it! Ran out of validity July '05. Any ideas where to get it done quickly (and cheaply!)? I'd prefer to do it in a sim, but cost is number at the moment.... paying for type rating with airline once I've got this sorted! I'm in the south and am thinking about bournemouth...
Any ideas would be appreciated, thanks BBear
Any ideas would be appreciated, thanks BBear
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From: From the Hills
When I did my last renewal in the FNPT2, I was informed that every alternate renewal / revalidation has to be done in the aircraft. So if your last renewal was done in the sim, the next one will have to be in the aircraft, I am not sure from which date this rule applies.
(sorry, just realised Send Clowns has already stated this)
So if your previous renewal/ revalidation was done in the aircraft then yes you can renew in the sim.
(sorry, just realised Send Clowns has already stated this)
So if your previous renewal/ revalidation was done in the aircraft then yes you can renew in the sim.
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From: Baile Atha Cliath
Does the renewal in the sim still allow you to renew your IR-SPA-ME rating even if your MEP class rating has expired?
I pressume you'll have to do a seperate MEP check flight in order to do the IR renewal in the a/c the following year??
I pressume you'll have to do a seperate MEP check flight in order to do the IR renewal in the a/c the following year??