GrahamK123

The hsbc loan is to a maximum of £50000. This is due to being able to afford re-payments by earning a standard first officers wage. If you are on one of the airline schemes they raise this to £60000. Before you say things like 'I would prefer to take the 80k on-loan' think about it for a second- if you took the full ten years to repay the loan you would end up paying hsbc around £40000 in interest.
It may seem easy now when all you can think about is flying a shiny aeroplane but when the novelty wears off, you want to have a family, car, house etc it will hit you in the face that you can't have any of these until you have that huge debt under control.

garywoodrow

hmm, so i have to come up with 20k then. lol any ideas . I may have to go modular which i really dont want to do.

If i was to go modular, there is a school near me called ravenair, i was quoted £30-35k for the modular course but i thought its a bit cheap, do you think this will include grounds exams and such?

g1344304

FTE has a deal with BBVA bank in london that allows for full course fees (£66k including 3 meals a day, all accomodation and license issue fees) but this too must also be secured on a parents house for example. If you take the full amount you will be having to pay around £1000 a month back when you graduate.

You will also need a bit for living costs (beer, phone calls, travel etc) and I think the bank can cater for this too. I would check em out, very good school.

Another option for you should be CTC. I think they allow the full loan unsecured and you are pretty much gaurenteed a job. However, I think that only around 2% of applicants get accepted.

akindofmagic

garywoodrow.

If it has only just now occured to you that you need to find an extra £20-30k on top of the loan to attend Oxford, I would suggest that you haven't done your research thoroughly. Re-read the threads on Oxford, FTE, CTC and the modular schools. Visit as many as you can and ask questions; about the flying, the ground school, the cost.

Potential

Has anybody been able to get the OAT website to work today? I was trying to get on the forum, but all I get is the 'page cannot be displayed' page.

steggers

Does anybody know where i can find the pass rates for the ATPL theory exams at OAT? I have been told that they are published every year, but i can't seem to find them. Any help would be great.

sick_bag

i wouldnt worry about it - the pass rates are very high. i was there until recently and all except the odd person who didnt do sufficient work passed all the exams with high marks (they cant learn it for you at the end of the day!) the instructors are first rate, you shouldnt have any worries.

potkettleblack

Unfortunately pass rates don't really give a very good indication of the quality of teaching which I believe is the most relevant part of the training. Any tom dick or harry can do nothing through the ground school and then sign up to the Bristol website and get a 90% plus average by rote learning the answers.

Vee One...Rotate

I agree with potkettleblack. It certainly shows up after groundschool when the real flying starts - the dubious statements made by some students show a lack of basic understanding in many subjects.

On the whole, the quality of ground teaching at OAT is good and there are some great characters instructing there In general the teaching goes beyond the bare minimum needed to pass the exams and if you pay attention and put in a bit of work yourself you'll gain a good understanding in all subjects.

V1R

thesheephair

ok if you where in my situation what would you do? :

money is not an issue so leave it out

gcses: 2A* 5A 2B
alevels: law, buissness studies, graphics, DT

pretty much been into flying ever since i was a little kid, etc etc
been in the raf at skl for 2 years when i was 15 and 16 and did some flying at cranwell for like 2 hours worth.

basically i want to get into the right hand seat of a shiny jet asap.

personally i prefer the integrated enviorment btw, which school would you go to?

hollingworthp

Without wishing to be rude - would you really leave it up to anonymous posters on a forum to make such an important decision for you?

We are all different and there is not one FTO that is perfect for everyone.

Take some time out to visit the larger ones and then make an informed decision - surely this makes sense?

davey147

If money is not an issue, and you want to get into the jet asap.

Go to a modular school where you can finish faster than integrated, then go an buy a type rating or two, that should get you the job.

Adios

Actually, I think integrated is the way to go for you. Simply write a big check and someone else will make all the decisions and manage every step of the training for you, which is not unlike what you are asking others to do for you here concerning when, where and how to do your training. You will have to make many more decisions if you go modular and that seems to be a bit much for you!

Sorry for the sarcasm, but hopefully my response will help you see how your post comes across. Anyone who plans to spend £50K to £75K training for a career should get out from behind the computer screen and visit half a dozen schools. Anyone who would risk so much money without attending to due diligence is not showing the proper attitude towards risk assessment and management that is needful to be an effective airline pilot.

pre3sg

hi everyone,
I'm basically wondering how many students pass through Oxford in a typical year? does anyone know this or have a rough idea? I've checked the Oxford website and had a quick search on the forums here but can't seem to find out.
The reason I want to know is to give some scope to Oxfords much promoted employment figures (205 gradutes employed this year! wow!).

Thanks in advance,
S.

Propellerhead

Don't get too hung up with the stats. Oxford get u a licence, you get the job. The Oxford ticket carries a lot of weight and gives u the best chance of getting a job but its u that has to have the right qualities to be employed by an airline. If you do well at Oxford and pass most things 1st time, get a good grade average, become a good pilot AND you'll fit into an airline environment then you should get a job.

Think whether u have the qualities, drive, and determination to succeed at a demanding course and in a competitive market.

Adios

The numbers you seek are on the OAT forum in the Careers and Employment section. I don't want to post a link to a competing forum since I'm not sure how the moderators here feel about that, but the thread was only started a few days ago, so it should match the date/time stamp of this post within a week or so.

saintexupery

I am looking at starting the APPFO integrated next year and I was wondering if anyone who already went through the training could provide thoughts on this. My current employer asked me whether it would be possible for me to keep doing a little bit of work remotely during training.

it would be online, with a flexible commitment of probably one or two hours a week, very flexibly scheduled and with flexible deadlines too. certainly it would help me pay back the loan quicker, but i would not want it to affect my performance during training. I want to give them an answer now to help them plan in advance.

Thanks a lot!

hollingworthp

You may struggle during groundschool where you should be aiming for at least 3 hours work a night and at the weekend you will be going back through that weeks work and potentially brushing up on the older stuff. Added to this is the - now compulsory - foundation degree in Air Transport Management which can only add to your workload.

For a more definitive answer you will probably be better off phoning OAT and talking to one of the training advisers.

HTH

Phil.

rick0

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could give me an reasonably non-biased answer..

Where does the extra £30k go to compared to Stapleford etc? I understand that the 40 hour 737 sim stuff would swallow up a bit but where does the rest go to?

And please no "its a waste your money" posts.

Cheers

phantomcruiser07

it goes to the instructors, facilities, food and accomodation and many other things you have to pay for when you do the integrated program with oxford, OAT is a business so they will find out every single way they can get money off you while you are training, although, you do get what you pay for otherwise they would'nt be in business for very long