BUCKINGHAMSHIRE UNI FLYING TRAINING
Originally Posted by LeeH88
You pay:
£3000/year for tuition fees.
£45,000 for flying training with CabAir
A few extra charges as mentionned above by someone
Living costs.
£3000/year for tuition fees.
£45,000 for flying training with CabAir
A few extra charges as mentionned above by someone
Living costs.
Interesting when you look at the costs of the individual modules:
£7109
£5615
£7706
£8166
£14027
£2377
All very unusual numbers but the add up to EXACTLY £45,000. Clever that!
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Yeah great, thanks for that, much appreciated. While this topic seems alive!! I think I will ask another question, what is thae age range like on the course, is everyone the same age, or is there a mixture, e.g. 18,19, 20, 21, 22, older, etc.
The latter come in handy in Florida where you have to be at least 21 to drink, so I'm told.
Just wondered, as I am only just 18 and would be nice if I was not the baby of the group!! And how big are the classes??
But think I need to find out what negatives there are with this course, there is always some!! But think I will open another topic, for this one, as can't seem to find this mentioned anywhere else. So I will put that in another post.
Flight instructors/standard of teaching = very good
Admin from Cabair = could have been better
Financial admin from OFT = shocking at first, lots of little problems kept creeping up, but sorted out in the end
Quality of teaching/degree = variable, some very good & well taught, other bits IMHO pointless
Support from BCUC in the form of John Furley = bloody excellent
Social side & course cohesion = very good, have never met a closer bunch of studes
Worth of degree = remains to be seen
Beginning to think it would be cheaper to do an app or fo programme or integrated course, when comparing the prices last night and finding out how much this course costs now.
Sorry for so many questions, lol.
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Hey All, i have a place at BCUC. The tests at Cabair are below GCSE i would say, or equal at the most, there nothing to worry about unless you want an integrated place with them, which you dont. I am 80% sure BCUC will not be where i end up for many reasons, i do have a place but i also have a place at a few other uni's. For one BCUC is fairly low on league tables, no one i have spoke to have heard of it, i am worried that the degree has no meaning in the work place and i think i would be better of doing an integrated course, i really am not sure. I have been offered Meng or Beng Aviation Engineering at a london Uni, so i dont know if i should just take that? Some one i know has been to BCUC and they always told me not to go, but the course on the face of it does look really appealing, i am just not sure if its as good, and will be as good as it said it will be?
Coming from Birmingham to BCUC would be a massive down grade in terms of night life, i am sure there are very few clubs down that way, well i think there is just one?
Another worry is that i have been told many time that some airlines dont like Modular ATPLS, so it feels like my chances of employment are reduced with a modular course? But i really dont know, advice would be well appreciated. I am sure i have read some place some one at BCUC was going to leave at the end of Y2? Can any one shed any light on that?
One more thing, has any one a plan yet to get the £45.000 for the course? I am led to belive the banks wont lend unless is secured on a house?
Coming from Birmingham to BCUC would be a massive down grade in terms of night life, i am sure there are very few clubs down that way, well i think there is just one?
Another worry is that i have been told many time that some airlines dont like Modular ATPLS, so it feels like my chances of employment are reduced with a modular course? But i really dont know, advice would be well appreciated. I am sure i have read some place some one at BCUC was going to leave at the end of Y2? Can any one shed any light on that?
One more thing, has any one a plan yet to get the £45.000 for the course? I am led to belive the banks wont lend unless is secured on a house?
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hello again guys I'm 18 and supposed to be starting this course in september. I have already passed my medical and have my assessment day at cabair tomorrow. Looking at all the comments i am also wondering weather bcuc is a good idea. I will probably end up with about 240 ucas points and i dont think bcuc is reaching my potential im just wondering if theres any other places i can go without doin a modular atpl.
I am also considering just doing the first year at bcuc, this will allow me to obtain a ppl and also a 1st part of a degree, this will then offer me a chance to get on a course that allows me to reach my potetential. I am really unsure what to do because i have been looking forward to this course for ages. It seems a good idea now but i dont know what its gonna do for me in the long run.
As i read before in a previous article having a degree in air transport with atpl is a bit of a cliche. I.e employers may look for a candidate with a degree in physics or engineering with an atpl than with a degree in air transport.
Im really unsure of what to do now and its getting very late in the process
I am also considering just doing the first year at bcuc, this will allow me to obtain a ppl and also a 1st part of a degree, this will then offer me a chance to get on a course that allows me to reach my potetential. I am really unsure what to do because i have been looking forward to this course for ages. It seems a good idea now but i dont know what its gonna do for me in the long run.
As i read before in a previous article having a degree in air transport with atpl is a bit of a cliche. I.e employers may look for a candidate with a degree in physics or engineering with an atpl than with a degree in air transport.
Im really unsure of what to do now and its getting very late in the process
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The thing that attracted me to the BCUC Degree was the ATPL. But i now see i can do a modular ATPL course no matter what uni i go to. I was looking forward to BCUC also, tryed my hardest at Cabair test and really wanted it, the second i got it i decided i didnt really want or like the sound of BCUC having been to a College University before.
I think i am going to go for an integrated course, if i need a degree there is the open university but no where states they want a degree. So i think getting as higher grades and first time passes with an integrated ATPL may be the best way forward for myself.
Another thing that put me of BCUC is that i would rather train with OAT rather than Cabair. The way i see the whole BCUC course is that its a three year integrated course that can be done in a year and a half integrated and you can choose your training school yourself.
So now i am looking at OAT and FTE as well as Open Uni and Brunel in london.
Just a few stats about BCUC i noticed, Entry is normally 160 UCAS points (LOW), No one has heard of it!, Poor Sports, 46% get 1st or 2.1 (LOW). The biggest plus for that course is the course leader, he seems an amazing teacher/man and seems to be the best reason to take that course. Also over at OFT do you get a NPPL or JAA PPL or FAA PPL?
I think i am going to go for an integrated course, if i need a degree there is the open university but no where states they want a degree. So i think getting as higher grades and first time passes with an integrated ATPL may be the best way forward for myself.
Another thing that put me of BCUC is that i would rather train with OAT rather than Cabair. The way i see the whole BCUC course is that its a three year integrated course that can be done in a year and a half integrated and you can choose your training school yourself.
So now i am looking at OAT and FTE as well as Open Uni and Brunel in london.
Just a few stats about BCUC i noticed, Entry is normally 160 UCAS points (LOW), No one has heard of it!, Poor Sports, 46% get 1st or 2.1 (LOW). The biggest plus for that course is the course leader, he seems an amazing teacher/man and seems to be the best reason to take that course. Also over at OFT do you get a NPPL or JAA PPL or FAA PPL?
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Yeah, John Furley is the dude; we all think highly of him.
You get a JAA PPL during the first year, the training done in the US is taught to the JAA syllabus & they have JAA examiners.
Engineering degrees are hard - I know I tried one - and if you're not going to directly use it, then it might be best to concentrate on other things. I think the main attraction of the BCUC course is that you can save time/money by combining your degree and fATPL. Having said that, yes, a degree in Air Transport from BCUC will not have the same academic clout as say a degree in Physics/Engineering from Bristol or Southampton for example.
Also, when my course had a talk from the training captain at Flybe, he said that as far as recruitment for his airline went, it is not a requirement to have a degree, which holds true for all of them. Thus you could argue that there's really no point in going to uni at all if you want to fly commerical. Having said that...uni's fun!
planecrazy, is that BEng at London Met the one with the PPL in it? (it was me who was thinking of leaving the course end of Y2 btw)
You get a JAA PPL during the first year, the training done in the US is taught to the JAA syllabus & they have JAA examiners.
Engineering degrees are hard - I know I tried one - and if you're not going to directly use it, then it might be best to concentrate on other things. I think the main attraction of the BCUC course is that you can save time/money by combining your degree and fATPL. Having said that, yes, a degree in Air Transport from BCUC will not have the same academic clout as say a degree in Physics/Engineering from Bristol or Southampton for example.
Also, when my course had a talk from the training captain at Flybe, he said that as far as recruitment for his airline went, it is not a requirement to have a degree, which holds true for all of them. Thus you could argue that there's really no point in going to uni at all if you want to fly commerical. Having said that...uni's fun!
planecrazy, is that BEng at London Met the one with the PPL in it? (it was me who was thinking of leaving the course end of Y2 btw)
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Must agree, John Furley does seem to be a great man, but the overall appeal of the course has gone down for me, the training is £45000 which is more than an integrated at my local flying school, Plus, they offer a low cost loan from a bank, so Ive decided Im going to continue working, get the loan n train there. in 18 months - 2 years I'll hopefully quit my job and get a job with an airline. (Thats the plan anyway).
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Hey, The MEng i was/will do is at Brunel, its MEng with Pilot Studies, They offer most of the flying credits just not an MMC or an IMC. But if i get my PPL first before joining then i have some extra time to study what maybe they dont offer? But the BCUC course is what i really wanted, but what got me thinking is its nothing really special, a modular ATPL can be taken at any time by any one, so whats stopping me taking the better degree and studying a Modular ATPL whilst at another UNI? Then i can control the flight school i use. I really dont know which Uni to take, BCUC or Brunel or even just go Integrated. Time is running out though...
As for £45k for an ATPL Integrated, its not really that unusual, i have seen them as Cheap as £29.999 over in the USA and some UK Flying schools offer rates not so far off that, but i bet they train also in the USA.
I dont know if its the right way in thinking but wouldnt a better flight school such as OAT or FTE Offer better prospects to employers and make you more employable that using a ATPL Trainer half the price?
One more thing, Ab-Initio? Same as integrated?
As for £45k for an ATPL Integrated, its not really that unusual, i have seen them as Cheap as £29.999 over in the USA and some UK Flying schools offer rates not so far off that, but i bet they train also in the USA.
I dont know if its the right way in thinking but wouldnt a better flight school such as OAT or FTE Offer better prospects to employers and make you more employable that using a ATPL Trainer half the price?
One more thing, Ab-Initio? Same as integrated?
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As for £45k for an ATPL Integrated, its not really that unusual, i have seen them as Cheap as £29.999 over in the USA and some UK Flying schools offer rates not so far off that, but i bet they train also in the USA.
There are only 3 integrated providers - Cabair, FTE and OAT.
And the Cabair course used by BCUC is modular.
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There are Four integrated training providers, some Australia College of Aviation. I am well aware of the BCUC course been integrated, can you not tell? I have moaned about it several times. As for the 30K Courses, the ones i refered to was Ab-Initio, which are not Modular nor Integrated.
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Hi correct me if im wrong but isnt ab-intio latin for for something like from start to finsih? there for if you undertake all your training with one provider, you're takin and ab-intio route. I think?
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Does any one taking this course, or going to take it know if there is any help getting the finance togeather? Still unsure what to do = ( My mind is only now between two options
A Degree and Modulat ATPL, Or An Integrated ATPL. Decided what flight school i want to get into and a second just in-case.
On the BCUC Course is it three years and you get a fATPL and MCC?
A Degree and Modulat ATPL, Or An Integrated ATPL. Decided what flight school i want to get into and a second just in-case.
On the BCUC Course is it three years and you get a fATPL and MCC?
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you beat me to it Willistorm! yep, thats what you get - they beauty of iy is that you get a degree at the same time as the pilot licences (sp???) - loans of that size at the moment is pretty tough from the banks - they look at it as we are a student with not a regular income therefore they wont offer one! however your parent could take out the loan in their name (as far as i am aware!) i taking the same option as Willistorm - kind longterm loan from the parents!
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Well its the finance i will have problems with, i thought my nan would help, turns out she wont, i think its because she doesnt understand and the word "loan" is like a swear word to her so i should have approached that a different way. My mom cant get a loan to even 20% of whats required and she rents so no house to secure it on, so im a little lost now. I think my only hope is to go to a FTO where they have good bank contacts and relations and i can get a load that way, iBCUC Dont help you get the loan do they? I dont think they do but i might be wrong. So my other option is to PAYG with Modular.....