CPL Qualifier Suggestions

[carbonfibre]

x country

just a thought get a mix in from cranfield maybe something like this if you want to return same day


Cranfield - Teeside - Blackpool - Canaerfon - Shobdon - Cranfield

Cranfield - Swansea - Liverpool - Cranfield

Cranfiled - Shoreham - Newqauy - Glouster - cranfield

Cranfield - Norwich - Newcastle - Canaerfon - Cranfield

Fairly longish routes for a days fying plenty to see on them all, plenty of airports to choose in between too

[FougaMagister]

Originally Posted by TurboJ

So do I........however, the student is given a number of routes to choose from, from the company ops manual. I have never suggested I sit there and plan the route for the student.

With all due respect, giving the student a number of routes to choose from is already doing part of the planning for them. I don't think there is any requirement for the company's ops manual to include a selection of CPL qualifying cross-country routes.

That's obviously not saying they shouldn't ask for advice or get their CPL x-country planning reviewed, but that's as far the instructor's involvement should go. My brief would be: "go plan a 300 nm x-country nav flight with 2 land aways, preferably with a number of different airspace and ATC services and preferably as a triangular route (to make things a bit harder). Come back for approval when you have finished planning".

Cheers

[FlyingForFun]

Notwithstanding FougaMagister's last post, which is subjective (I agree with him, but I can see a good counter-argument too), I think, TurboJ, the reason we are disagreeing is this quote:

Many students rock up to the school with none of the requirements to even start the course, never mind the requirements for licence issue

This is an entirely different situation to that which DW is presenting, where he is actively using his resources (including PPRuNe) to ensure that he meets all the requirements before turning up at the school, thus (totally correctly) negating the need for assistance from his future school (which, as I said already, he may not yet have even chosen).

Therefore, the instructor is required to see them through to licence issue

I'm not sure that he is - at least, not by the JARs. The instructor's responsibility is to prepare the student for the test. The student has the responsibility of ensuring that he meets all the other criteria. There may be a requirement for the school to check these and point out any deficiencies - certainly for course pre-entry requirements, although I'm not sure about license application requirements. If the student is incapable of doing this, or is too lazy to do the research to find out what the requirements are beforehand, then by all means

Go the extra mile, in management speak !!

In fact, your employer might even require you to do this to ensure good customer relations. But it is a customer relations issue, not a JAR requirement.

FFF
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[dwshimoda]

TurboJ

without having to ask an internet forum

Implying what exactly? All I thought I'd do is see if anyone had any suggestions for something a bit different - you imply I need help to decide, and sidetrack the discussion from an inoccuous request.

Thanks to all those who have made suggestions - they were all appreciated. I'm currently looking at Cranfield - Cardiff - Hawarden - Doncaster - Cranfield, which I know exceeds the requirement, but should let me meet up with friends and my parents at various stages. Just a few more ATPL exams now, and then the hard work can really begin

[Cutoff]

'So do I........however, the student is given a number of routes to choose from, from the company ops manual. I have never suggested I sit there and plan the route for the student.'

Isn't presenting already determined routes part of the planning process itself, removes the need for the student to at least add up and read a map in the first place so therefore this is removing some of the planning element.

[TurboJ]

Isn't presenting already determined routes part of the planning process itself, removes the need for the student to at least add up and read a map in the first place so therefore this is removing some of the planning element.

I agree entirely. However, if the company has decided that the CPL x/c qualifier routes to be followed are the ones published in the ops manual, would you allow a student to take a company aircraft on a non approved route, not published in the ops manual ?

What would the implications be on the instructor if an incident took place and the instructor was found to be allowing a student to operate outside the ops manual ?

FFF - I agree with the comments of your last post -

[slayer]

Hi everyone, just a quick question!
I’m planning on doing my 300nm cross country qualifier in the next few weeks, could someone please tell me if there is a form or any documentation that needs to be completed/signed off by people at my land aways (like on the PPL qualifier) or are the log book entries good enough?
Thanks very much

[Mercenary Pilot]

Nah, just put it in the remarks section of your logbook.

[dwshimoda]

Slayer,

I kep the landing fee receipts as a back up, but otherwise just documented each flight in the notes section of my logbook, for example, "CPL Qualifier leg 1, 120Nm" and then totalled the three together at the end of the three legs.

I did get told that you are supposed to take on fuel at one destination, but I have never heard this before, nor is it in Lassors, so I don't believe it to be true.

Enjoy your flight!

DW

[SD.]

Under FAA reg's on some qualifiers you have to be sole occupant of the aircraft, is this the case for CAA CPL qualifier?

FWIW My longest xc is San Diego to Freeport (Grand Bahamas) and back again in a PA28

[EGAC_Ramper]

Yep as mentioned I just noted it down in the info section and stapled in the landing fee reciepts as added insurance.

Enjoy your trip!

Regards

[slayer]

All sounds nice and straight forward. Thanks for the replies everyone

[rwhites]

when i did mine i got a stamp in my log book at one airfield for luck.
you have to book in and out of most airfields any way, so if the caa want to find out they can tell if you have been there or not. if you realy want file a flight plan (its not hard ).

[BEagle]

"However, if the company has decided that the CPL x/c qualifier routes to be followed are the ones published in the ops manual, would you allow a student to take a company aircraft on a non approved route, not published in the ops manual ?"

What a distressing nanny state comment. Why on earth should there be 'approved routes' in the 'ops manual' which pilots should be obliged to fly?

[Hufty]

You can fly whatever route you want - as long as it meets the requirements. No need to prove it either - the logbook is a legal document so has to be correct. If they don't believe you flew the cross country you claim, then they would have to call into question EVERYTHING you claim on your application. Just fill in your logbook and post it off - the CAA will look at it and then send you your blue book!

Somebody mentioned having to take on fuel at one destination - not true although flying 300nm in your C152 it might be a good idea to stop for petrol