BEST WAY TO FUND A PPL! occupation student
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BEST WAY TO FUND A PPL! occupation student
Hi, im just wondering the best way to fund for my ppl, bearing in mind im a student studying my first year of A-Levels? and how long will it take to complete considering the lack of funds?
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there isnt a compromise i can make with my parents, however i do have money saved away (£4k) but my mum is reluctant to let me use it, she says the money is to remain in the bank to grow on interest and use later on in life. This is fair enough indeed but i she wants to use it to clear my university debts, but i dont want to go to uni
, i want to gain my ppl and go to a flying school. As with the part time job i wouldnt mind getting one at my local airfield newcastle, cleaning planes, the dirty work basically but i dont know who to contact. I have been to the airfield several times but they just send me in different directions and nothing comes of it!! what should i do?
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, i want to gain my ppl and go to a flying school. As with the part time job i wouldnt mind getting one at my local airfield newcastle, cleaning planes, the dirty work basically but i dont know who to contact. I have been to the airfield several times but they just send me in different directions and nothing comes of it!! what should i do?Regards,
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I don't wish to sound patronising here but your Mum is right!
How do you expect to earn your living? As an instructor? 'Cos in that case you need to have a CPL (Commercial Pilots Licence) (at least) and Instructor Rating. I don't know the exact requirements for these for Fixed Wing as I am Rotary but a search on these forums or general internet search will guide you.
There is not a lot of work at flying clubs; if there is, it will be very poorly paid (if paid at all!!).
Seriously, your best bet is to get a degree in a subject that will stand you in good stead as a career and consider the PPL later. A PPL (Private Pilots Licence) can be done part-time; hour or two a week so you don't need the full cost up front.
Please carry out a search here for job prospects, funding, CPL/ATPL courses - there's a lot to learn.
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How do you expect to earn your living? As an instructor? 'Cos in that case you need to have a CPL (Commercial Pilots Licence) (at least) and Instructor Rating. I don't know the exact requirements for these for Fixed Wing as I am Rotary but a search on these forums or general internet search will guide you.
There is not a lot of work at flying clubs; if there is, it will be very poorly paid (if paid at all!!).
Seriously, your best bet is to get a degree in a subject that will stand you in good stead as a career and consider the PPL later. A PPL (Private Pilots Licence) can be done part-time; hour or two a week so you don't need the full cost up front.
Please carry out a search here for job prospects, funding, CPL/ATPL courses - there's a lot to learn.
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It may be worth putting in an extra couple of hours reading...Have a look at my website specifically on the route page which outlines most steps towards a commercial flying career. Its certainly not bullet proof but it will give a basic understanding.
Read about the whole training process and see if flying is a trade you wish to invest your future in - It may be worth doing a trial lesson flight at your local airfield to ensure you and flying are on the same wavelength. I completed my higher education and decided to goto university, I was accepted to do engineering but I decided to pull out, get a job and pay for my flight training. Something I haven't regretted.
To make money from this industry you must hold a Commercial Pilots License and even when you have this the likelyhood of a job is very much non existent as you require further training, for example - Flying Instructors rating (to work at flying clubs/schools etc) ,Multi Engine rating and Instrument rating, a must for flying light twins commercially.
If this is the career you wish to do then complete your education, get a job and pay for flying hours on a monthly basis. It may take you 4 years to complete your training by self funding but lets face it, so does university.
Read about the whole training process and see if flying is a trade you wish to invest your future in - It may be worth doing a trial lesson flight at your local airfield to ensure you and flying are on the same wavelength. I completed my higher education and decided to goto university, I was accepted to do engineering but I decided to pull out, get a job and pay for my flight training. Something I haven't regretted.
To make money from this industry you must hold a Commercial Pilots License and even when you have this the likelyhood of a job is very much non existent as you require further training, for example - Flying Instructors rating (to work at flying clubs/schools etc) ,Multi Engine rating and Instrument rating, a must for flying light twins commercially.
If this is the career you wish to do then complete your education, get a job and pay for flying hours on a monthly basis. It may take you 4 years to complete your training by self funding but lets face it, so does university.
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What is your website? I couldnt self fund £50K in 4 years without a loan could i, without getting a degree for a better paid job!! i like your idea, as i like the idea of flying from a younger age so that i can learn with a higher efficiency and it's faster!
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Click on a person's name above, and follow the menu to their web page.
Have you considered joining the Armed Forces for a flying career?
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Have you considered joining the Armed Forces for a flying career?
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what's that? is it difficult to get into? who is it done with? i have no clue about it? i.e realistic chances!!
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The University of Leeds offer a BSc degree, in collaboration with Leeds Flying School, entitled Aviation Technology with Pilot Studies. As far as I know, it's the only aviation related degree available in the UK that's not an aeronautical engineering degree.
A PPL is part of the course structure, contributing to a third of the second year syllabus (40 credits, 70% pracitcal flying assessment, 30% written report). It costs £3300 (not including final test/examiner fees) which is a considerable saving on the £5k+ it will cost you doing it at commercial rates, plus you have a degree at the end as well.
It's a young course, and is not without its negative points, but all in all it's certainly beneficial to a career in professional aviation.
Just another option for you
A PPL is part of the course structure, contributing to a third of the second year syllabus (40 credits, 70% pracitcal flying assessment, 30% written report). It costs £3300 (not including final test/examiner fees) which is a considerable saving on the £5k+ it will cost you doing it at commercial rates, plus you have a degree at the end as well.
It's a young course, and is not without its negative points, but all in all it's certainly beneficial to a career in professional aviation.
Just another option for you
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Originally Posted by Felix Saddler
What is your website? I couldnt self fund £50K in 4 years without a loan could i, without getting a degree for a better paid job!! i like your idea, as i like the idea of flying from a younger age so that i can learn with a higher efficiency and it's faster!
It may take 4 years but during my PPL I flew atleast 1 or 2 times a week - it gives you something to look forward to each week (until you hit Exercise 12 and 13
)! fastest 9 months of my life!After your PPL you just continue to hour build by spending your wages on hours until your at 150 hours, 100hrs P1 (a pre entry requirement for your CPL training).
Sit down and think about things in the long term! When I first started thinking about this career I was inpatient and was fooled into thinking along the lines as you are.
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Been a while since I was at uni - but I though the UAS had been canned? Can anyone enlighten me.
The Air league ( just bang air league into google) do various scholarships giving you up 15 hrs towards your PPL. Definatley worth a look.
Also have you thought about gliding - it can be very cheap, esp at uni and it gets your eye in for your ppl and if you get to a certain level you get a dispensation towards your ppl hours. And its amazing! (no pesky engines to worry about)
Good luck
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The Air league ( just bang air league into google) do various scholarships giving you up 15 hrs towards your PPL. Definatley worth a look.
Also have you thought about gliding - it can be very cheap, esp at uni and it gets your eye in for your ppl and if you get to a certain level you get a dispensation towards your ppl hours. And its amazing! (no pesky engines to worry about)
Good luck
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ok so to sum things up rite now i should concentrate on my a-levels and if possible get a p/t job and start saving and maybe log enough hours to go solo working towards my ppl?
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Maybe this would be better moved to private flying. I don't really think £4,000 will gain that much interest to tide you over in later life. Using it now to get your foot on the first wrung of the ladder of your chosen career may in the long run secure you a job quicker. A low end career pilot will make say £20k in the first year. How many years will you need to leave your £4k in the bank for to make £20k? ...................... MANY is my guess.
My biggest regret was listening to my parents harp on about saving for later life. I wish I had started flying many moons before I did. Tell your mum its your money, your life and your ambition and phone the flying club today.
My opinion ........... Go for it! Either now or when you finish Uni.
(Standing by for some flack from Felix's mum, please don't come after me with a rolling pin)
Good luck in wahtever path you choose.
S
My biggest regret was listening to my parents harp on about saving for later life. I wish I had started flying many moons before I did. Tell your mum its your money, your life and your ambition and phone the flying club today.
My opinion ........... Go for it! Either now or when you finish Uni.
(Standing by for some flack from Felix's mum, please don't come after me with a rolling pin)
Good luck in wahtever path you choose.
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Thanks Smith, i wish she could understand that, she thinks that using it to get my ppl is a complete waste and that i should stick to education go to uni and get a degree!! but i dont know if i want to, and the money i have saved up will be aparently be spent on a % of uni debt!!
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Well i say i've saved up, she has saved it really but its like an inherritance thing! she also thinks that the only way i can and should go about my flying is sponsorship through the RAF!! i would love too but she doesnt understand how competitive it is and to her thats the only way im to do it!! My dad on the other hand is completely with me, he has his PPL and thinks i should do the same. Unfortunately they are divorced and i live with my mum!!
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cool what job is it and are you doing your A-Levels? how many hours do you work and if you dont mind me asking, what is your wage a week? also how many hours have you flown and how many hours do you fly a week? lol sorry about the bombardment of questions 
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Your parents seem to talk sense Felix.
They only want the best for you. If and its a big IF you get through all your training, PPL, Night Rating, ATPL groundschool, CPL, ME and IR with first time passes, even the cheapest route will cost in the region of £30K. Thats a hell of a lot of money, if you go to a intergrated school it will be double plus living expenses.
SO you get your fATPL and what does it get you...... well the fact is you are not the only one out there, there are many more like you, what makes you more employable? Maybe a degree would help you put your CV up the pile a bit.
The sad fact is that more and more wannabe's are having to pay for a Type Rating and maybe line training as well cost of this can be annother £30K.
So you go intergrated, what does that get you.... well I was at BA, Cranebank a few weeks ago talking to a Training Capt and he was telling me that the two students with him, doing their LST's, were paying BA for their 737 rating. These lads were ex Oxford students and now have jobs with BA.
I myself was offered a job on the condition that I paid for my own rating, which I am doing.
You are young, god what I would give to be 17 again, I would get your PPL while you are at Uni, work dammed hard get a good degree and try to get a good job, then you can always do your advanced training part time.
Good Luck
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They only want the best for you. If and its a big IF you get through all your training, PPL, Night Rating, ATPL groundschool, CPL, ME and IR with first time passes, even the cheapest route will cost in the region of £30K. Thats a hell of a lot of money, if you go to a intergrated school it will be double plus living expenses.
SO you get your fATPL and what does it get you...... well the fact is you are not the only one out there, there are many more like you, what makes you more employable? Maybe a degree would help you put your CV up the pile a bit.
The sad fact is that more and more wannabe's are having to pay for a Type Rating and maybe line training as well cost of this can be annother £30K.
So you go intergrated, what does that get you.... well I was at BA, Cranebank a few weeks ago talking to a Training Capt and he was telling me that the two students with him, doing their LST's, were paying BA for their 737 rating. These lads were ex Oxford students and now have jobs with BA.
I myself was offered a job on the condition that I paid for my own rating, which I am doing.
You are young, god what I would give to be 17 again, I would get your PPL while you are at Uni, work dammed hard get a good degree and try to get a good job, then you can always do your advanced training part time.
Good Luck
Tony