Parc Mcc
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Parc Mcc
Just a quick thread about PARC in Dublin. I am off to see them soon about their MCC on the 737-200, as I hear that it is quite a thorough course. Has anyone had any recent dealings with them?
I must admit, the feedback I have received has all been positive.
I must admit, the feedback I have received has all been positive.
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From: way out west
Bearcat,
I know what you're saying, but I gotta disagree with you a bit there, the MCC is much more than a tick in the box.
I think it's as important in its simulation of multi-crew commercial (not necessarily airline) operations as it is in its simulation of flight. There's alot to be learnt by those who have to take the course (ie. those who haven't the experience to be exempt from it). Although it can be a bit contrived, it's a good place to make the required attitude adjustment from 'I' to 'We'.
I know all that might sound a bit bullsh1tty but my point is that different providers put different emphasis on different aspects of flight ops and that's where choosing to suit your career plans (if you've got that far!) is important.
theWings
I know what you're saying, but I gotta disagree with you a bit there, the MCC is much more than a tick in the box.
I think it's as important in its simulation of multi-crew commercial (not necessarily airline) operations as it is in its simulation of flight. There's alot to be learnt by those who have to take the course (ie. those who haven't the experience to be exempt from it). Although it can be a bit contrived, it's a good place to make the required attitude adjustment from 'I' to 'We'.
I know all that might sound a bit bullsh1tty but my point is that different providers put different emphasis on different aspects of flight ops and that's where choosing to suit your career plans (if you've got that far!) is important.
theWings
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That's what I was thinking. My plan, right or wrong, was to go for Ryanair and I know PARC are the people to give me the best prep with SOP's and hands on flying. I didn't want it to turn into another 7 page Ryanair thread, but briefly I can't afford not to got for the long term investment. If it doesn't work out, then I will submit and start the scrap over a TP job. If I were to agree with you Bearcat, I wouldn't be going to PARC. I used to share your view, but as the Wings pionted out, if you specify your intentions, a good FTO will cater. I could always save £1000 and go to Grabair on their FNPT2 King Air at 7pm when the sausages had finished with it.
Thanks for your input both of you.
JD
Thanks for your input both of you.
JD
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From: London
Parc Mcc
Hello Just finished CPL/IR at Wycombe Air Centre, anyone know the cost of the MCC course at PARC on their 737 all singing and dancing sim in Ireland. Would be grateful to hear from anyone who's completed an MCC course with these guys recently.
Many thanks
Many thanks
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Yep just back last week from the Parc MCC,enjoyed every minute and worth it in my opinion.As mentioned £3,500 is about right,managed to score return flights to Dublin for £30 return(most of it tax) and accommodation they arrange if you need it and works out at 8 nights 360Euro's.
Regards
Regards
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From: Bournemouth
Warning PARC aviation
Right I have waited for over 5 months for my money to be returned. After paying the 1500 Euro deposit I was off to attend the MCC course in Ireland. However due to problems in my wifes pregnancy I was forced to cancel the weekend of the course. I expected to pay the usual cancelation fee of 500 Euros but PARC thinks its reasonable to take the whole amount. This just goes to show you that they don't own their Sims. My advice is don't leave any money down at all, they are blinded by what they see as good business management (known in Ireland as pure greed), this is a small industry and not untouchable to the media which unknown to them I worked in for several years before aviation. I would like to hear from anybody else who has had problems with Rogue aviation traders this is the part of a "door step" T.V series on Rogue Courses from Aviation training to language courses. As far as my problem with PARC is concerned they have had their chance. I hope they have a nice smile for the cameras. Please Pm me with all your unpleasant experiences
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From: france
hi! 
excuse me but I don't understand why a lot of people are intersted by Parc...
Ok their instructors are experimented etc, so they help you to find a job ?
Doing a MCC course with Parc give you a best chance about a job ?
thank you!
excuse me but I don't understand why a lot of people are intersted by Parc...
Ok their instructors are experimented etc, so they help you to find a job ?
Doing a MCC course with Parc give you a best chance about a job ?
thank you!
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From: Weedon
MCC
I teach MCC at Oxford and from speaking to the students they seem to think that having flown the OAT pretend 737 sim put them in a good position when taking an airline assesment trip. If you have not flown a jet type sim the assesment can come as a big surprise. The L1011 and a proper 737 sim would be better but if you only have light aircraft experience even the OAT 737 is good. Its a bit like custard, it does move about a bit!
Their opinion is that its worth the extra cash.
Their opinion is that its worth the extra cash.
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Sam,
Having now done the MCC at PARC, I can say that the sales spin about a job is just that....spin. I think that is partly due to the market and the lack of Training Captains and lack of space on the Type Ratings. I did have my details taken by a Ryan Air Capt. but no job yet.
I have now started instructing till the Spring and I will try again, but I am not going to pay for the TR....yet.
Nice SIM though and some airlines use the sim for the sim checks.
Having now done the MCC at PARC, I can say that the sales spin about a job is just that....spin. I think that is partly due to the market and the lack of Training Captains and lack of space on the Type Ratings. I did have my details taken by a Ryan Air Capt. but no job yet.
I have now started instructing till the Spring and I will try again, but I am not going to pay for the TR....yet.
Nice SIM though and some airlines use the sim for the sim checks.
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From: Dublin,Ireland
Hi all
The PARC course is pretty good, just forget the bull about getting you a job or anything.The instructors are pilots, active and retired,from Aer Arann, Ryanair and Aer Lingus.RE and Ryanair use it for sim checks. The sim used to be owned by Avtec and is now owned by Simtech (some of the same characters are involved) and quite a few pilots owe their start in RE to having spent time and money in the sim.(hint,hint!).Cityjet are alleged to have installed a 146 sim in the same building and it will be interesting to see if competition affects the price of the 737 sim (about E300/hr).The sim building is owned by Aer Lingus and houses an active A-320 sim (no, you can't get to use it, for love nor money) and an inactive BAC 1-11.
regards
TDD
The PARC course is pretty good, just forget the bull about getting you a job or anything.The instructors are pilots, active and retired,from Aer Arann, Ryanair and Aer Lingus.RE and Ryanair use it for sim checks. The sim used to be owned by Avtec and is now owned by Simtech (some of the same characters are involved) and quite a few pilots owe their start in RE to having spent time and money in the sim.(hint,hint!).Cityjet are alleged to have installed a 146 sim in the same building and it will be interesting to see if competition affects the price of the 737 sim (about E300/hr).The sim building is owned by Aer Lingus and houses an active A-320 sim (no, you can't get to use it, for love nor money) and an inactive BAC 1-11.
regards
TDD
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From: A land far far away
Is the mcc at parc 8 consecutive days?
Hey going to parc next week and never thought to ask LL if it was 8 consecutive days or if they had the weekends off. I need to know as i'm about to book my flight, also anybody know of any cheap places to stay whilst i'm there? Just taken a cancellation booking for the course so have no notes or details of it yet, which is why i am probably asking questions explained in the notes
Thanx
Thanx
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From: A land far far away
Thanks for the reply, not having my car means that i will either need to find a place close by or a place that has good transport links, i assume that the course is at reasonable times whereby there still would be public transport available? Almost tempted to just ryanair it across each day, it works out cheaper
Last edited by escobar; 27th October 2006 at 18:37.
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Parc times
The first two days of Groundschool are 9-5 but the Sim sessions are not, they are done in four hour blocks, the first one starting around 7:30am and the last one ending at 11:30pm. It will just depend on what times they assign for you.
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I just read that bit of your post where you said you were thinking about flying out each day - you would be mad to, you will be pretty tired buy the end of each session and the last thing that you would want to do is fly back and for every day. Bite the bullet and book into a B&B.
