which TRTO ?
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which TRTO ?
Hello everybody,
I'm searching for a good TRTO providing type qualifications for Boeing and/or Airbus.
I have read some things on the forum about hub'air and flugschule Berlin.
Do you know others in europe ? Can you talk about your own experience of a TRTO? What do you think about Sabena flight academy? I am interested, of course, in the quality of the type qualification, and also in the "what's next" : can the TRTO help in the job search?
thanks for your answers.
Munanza
I'm searching for a good TRTO providing type qualifications for Boeing and/or Airbus.
I have read some things on the forum about hub'air and flugschule Berlin.
Do you know others in europe ? Can you talk about your own experience of a TRTO? What do you think about Sabena flight academy? I am interested, of course, in the quality of the type qualification, and also in the "what's next" : can the TRTO help in the job search?
thanks for your answers.
Munanza
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From: Belgium
You'll need a SSTR with 100hrs line training.
Most airlines can't hire ab-initios these days because they need to train you 100hrs on type, the famous 'line' training and they need available instructors for that. So the TR alone won't get you much further at this time I think.
If you want the 100hrs you'll probably end up doing a thing like Astraeus, through Bond or Hub but the slots are sold out untill the end of the year.
This means you'll have 40.000€ debts by the beginning of 2006 and maybe a good job - probably Ryanair while the market has, again, completely changed by then.
At least that's my point of view. See it as the last option to get that right seat job after you've done anything else possible!
Most airlines can't hire ab-initios these days because they need to train you 100hrs on type, the famous 'line' training and they need available instructors for that. So the TR alone won't get you much further at this time I think.
If you want the 100hrs you'll probably end up doing a thing like Astraeus, through Bond or Hub but the slots are sold out untill the end of the year.
This means you'll have 40.000€ debts by the beginning of 2006 and maybe a good job - probably Ryanair while the market has, again, completely changed by then.
At least that's my point of view. See it as the last option to get that right seat job after you've done anything else possible!
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thank you for answering. I am thinking about doing a tq. But I also think that paying for its own tq is not fair. Many pilots are already paying for ATPL, CPL, IR ME,etc. That's the company's job ! I am very angry at the moment because almost all ads I see are for experienced pilots and sometimes, they say they don't even want applications from pilots without experience. that's a non sense. Are they forgetting that all pilots on earth have had 300 hours one day ??
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Indeed, that would be one thing, to get your line training for free while you perform as FO in training but fi at Astraeus they're asking you to pay 10.000€ for those 3 months of 'work'!? + expenses...
It's a crazy
world...
Watch out with the TR man, certainly on 737 - waiting waiting waiting...
And make sure to go to an organisation that provides both - TR and line training. If ever you decide to start with the TR only and try to find a job and later you decide to go for the line training you'll have to avoid that they will say - Oh sorry but you didn't do your TR here with us, sorry no place for you...
I think that's what they call 'coupled sale' - forbidden by EU law I thought!
I wonder if this is all legal...
It's a crazy
world... Watch out with the TR man, certainly on 737 - waiting waiting waiting...
And make sure to go to an organisation that provides both - TR and line training. If ever you decide to start with the TR only and try to find a job and later you decide to go for the line training you'll have to avoid that they will say - Oh sorry but you didn't do your TR here with us, sorry no place for you...
I think that's what they call 'coupled sale' - forbidden by EU law I thought!
I wonder if this is all legal...
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From: South
try giving Storm Aviation (lgw) a call.. / email. they are running A320 cadet courses. you pays your money (I think 20 to 25k - might be less, can't remember) and they give you a type rating and 500 hours with a well known European airline. You may have to wait for a slot to come up, but they're definitely running courses this year.
You'll find all the details you need at:
http://www.stormaviation.com/training/pilots.php
Hope you find something suitable!
Beatrix
You'll find all the details you need at:
http://www.stormaviation.com/training/pilots.php
Hope you find something suitable!
Beatrix
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From: Berlin
TR @ Comfly
Comfly in Berlin, Germany, does an excellent job on the Tape Ratings for Airbus A 320 and Boeing B 737-300-800.
The cost for the A 320 TR is about 22.000 €, plus about 6.300 € for the Base Training. They have good connections with some German Airlines and some airlines in Asia. Those desperately look for FOs!
Even if they post on their website 500 or 1000 hours minimum as a requirement: if they need pilot (and they do, especially for the A 320 / A 330 right now!) and you convince them about your flying skills during the screening THEY HIRE YOU.
www.comfly.de
Happy Landings
dofly
The cost for the A 320 TR is about 22.000 €, plus about 6.300 € for the Base Training. They have good connections with some German Airlines and some airlines in Asia. Those desperately look for FOs!
Even if they post on their website 500 or 1000 hours minimum as a requirement: if they need pilot (and they do, especially for the A 320 / A 330 right now!) and you convince them about your flying skills during the screening THEY HIRE YOU.
www.comfly.de
Happy Landings
dofly
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haha
well, of course it means:
nope - the training for the JAR Type Ratings (A 320 or B 737) is completely in ENGLISH.
Yepp, professional aviation training in any other language than english wouldnt make sense....
HLs
dofly
nope - the training for the JAR Type Ratings (A 320 or B 737) is completely in ENGLISH.
Yepp, professional aviation training in any other language than english wouldnt make sense....
HLs
dofly
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From: Flirting with Angels
Originally Posted by zooloflyer
By the way most of the training organisations offering the program you require are FTO's and not TRTO's.
Good luck.
Good luck.
If you are parting with far too much cash for a TR make sure that the company that is taking it IS approved, otherwise it's a duff TR.. (duh :P) and then, obviously, you are paddling up said creek without a paddle.
If I am teaching you to suck eggs I apologise now.
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From: Wor Yerm
Go for the most expensive one! Whoever they are. The industry needs the cash! And after you have spent the money, please don't ask when you are going to get a job!
The money that you are thinking of spending on a rating could keep you in beer and beans for two years or so. And think about this. Employers will still probably ask you to do it all over again, just so that you have been trained with the same SOP's as your colleagues. And bond you for it if you don't pay again! That's if they operate the same type as you have on your licence. And what are you going to do about line training - less than 500 hours on type and you are still very new!
Save the cash. Spend it on yourself. Let your employer pay.
PM.
The money that you are thinking of spending on a rating could keep you in beer and beans for two years or so. And think about this. Employers will still probably ask you to do it all over again, just so that you have been trained with the same SOP's as your colleagues. And bond you for it if you don't pay again! That's if they operate the same type as you have on your licence. And what are you going to do about line training - less than 500 hours on type and you are still very new!
Save the cash. Spend it on yourself. Let your employer pay.
PM.
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From: France
I agree with Pm. i do not think it's good to pay for a type rating. the company must do it. but I don't think it will be different in the next years. Now schools are providing the tq, line training. it's a business. I am very angry about all this, but what can I do ? I will be 32 this year, with no experience, no type qualification. I am very motivated. I want to work, I need to work. I don't want to say myself : ok you won't ever be a pilot ! If you know a company ready to hire me right now, let me know !! although I don't want to pay for a tq, I don't think I will find a job without it. So what to do ?
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thank you for answering. I am thinking about doing a tq. But I also think that paying for its own tq is not fair. Many pilots are already paying for ATPL, CPL, IR ME,etc. That's the company's job ! I am very angry at the moment because almost all ads I see are for experienced pilots and sometimes, they say they don't even want applications from pilots without experience. that's a non sense. Are they forgetting that all pilots on earth have had 300 hours one day
Qualified guys are in short supply as you cannot staff expanding operations with staff who have such a low level of experience.
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