JAA ATPL Theory Study
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I don't know about anyone else, but so far from 10 exams passed, I found Instruments by far the toughest. I passed on my second attempt - so relieved! 
What about anyone else?
What about anyone else?
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All of them except VFR/IFR comms.
AGK nightmare to study for, AirLaw and JAR Ops just horrible. Instruments a bit of a toughie, but no worse than the rest.
AGK nightmare to study for, AirLaw and JAR Ops just horrible. Instruments a bit of a toughie, but no worse than the rest.
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In honesty, the Australian Flight Planning component of their ATPL theory. (4 goes at the rotten paper. In those days, had to do all of them again.)
The Jar? I really thought I had crashed and burned Nav. Time restricted etc... and I passed it first go
Then I thought it would be Principles of Flight. Studied my butt off and I passed it first go.
The Jar? I really thought I had crashed and burned Nav. Time restricted etc... and I passed it first go
Then I thought it would be Principles of Flight. Studied my butt off and I passed it first go.
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Hardest part in training??
I tried to start a poll but can't so i'll have to try it this way!!
All I want to know is which part of the training process did you find the hardest??
PPL
ATPL's
CPL
IR
MCC
FI
Would be interesting to know........I have only got the IR left to do!!
All I want to know is which part of the training process did you find the hardest??
PPL
ATPL's
CPL
IR
MCC
FI
Would be interesting to know........I have only got the IR left to do!!
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Umm,
it's a toss up between the ATPL theory and the IR. I'm referring to Australia.
Finding the money was pretty bloody hard.
However, the hardest thing was finding a job.
it's a toss up between the ATPL theory and the IR. I'm referring to Australia.
Finding the money was pretty bloody hard.
However, the hardest thing was finding a job.
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I think they all have there moments.
And alot has to do with how you get on with your instructor.
MCC after IR is quite a change. You have been that hyped up flying SPA IR that its quite strange to suddenly off load work onto someone else.
MJ
And alot has to do with how you get on with your instructor.
MCC after IR is quite a change. You have been that hyped up flying SPA IR that its quite strange to suddenly off load work onto someone else.
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IR is the hardest, mainly due to the pressure you put yourself under to pass first time, both from a cost point of view and the desire to avoid having to own up to partial passes in job applications. Technically it is probably easier than the CPL skills test, especially as you generally have a reasonable chunk of extra time in the air by then.
MCC is generally a very pleasant and enjoyable part of the process. As MJ points out, it is nice to share the work at last, but it is also fun to be in a (most likely) jet sim and you know that the worst part of the licencing process is behind you. Relax time.
ATPL theory isn't massively difficult to understand on the whole, but there is simply a huge volume of info to absosrb in a short time, and the JAA have a nasty habit of phrasing questions in the most obscure way.
However, all of this is a walk in the park comapared to landing a F/O position straight out of school, unless you are extremely jammy, or have pictures of the chief pilot enjoying the pleasures of four legged animals.
MCC is generally a very pleasant and enjoyable part of the process. As MJ points out, it is nice to share the work at last, but it is also fun to be in a (most likely) jet sim and you know that the worst part of the licencing process is behind you. Relax time.
ATPL theory isn't massively difficult to understand on the whole, but there is simply a huge volume of info to absosrb in a short time, and the JAA have a nasty habit of phrasing questions in the most obscure way.
However, all of this is a walk in the park comapared to landing a F/O position straight out of school, unless you are extremely jammy, or have pictures of the chief pilot enjoying the pleasures of four legged animals.
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With the PPL its different things to different people.
Some find the handling a breeze but struggle on RT and NAV.
But for most the PPL disappears into memory when they start doing more advanced courses. The work load in the CPL and IR is heavier but its different things to what you had previously. The fact that your max point has now increased since you went solo means you are proberly still working as hard as on your PPL but with a great work load. Imagine what it would have been like if you had gone straight from solo to twin IR. Which is why I am waiting to see what the new co-pilot license students out come is going to be.
MJ
Some find the handling a breeze but struggle on RT and NAV.
But for most the PPL disappears into memory when they start doing more advanced courses. The work load in the CPL and IR is heavier but its different things to what you had previously. The fact that your max point has now increased since you went solo means you are proberly still working as hard as on your PPL but with a great work load. Imagine what it would have been like if you had gone straight from solo to twin IR. Which is why I am waiting to see what the new co-pilot license students out come is going to be.
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Who's sitting their atpls and what do you find hardest?
Hey,
Was interested in what subject people found the hardest in their atpl's? Also was wondering who is sitting their atpl's just now? I would set up a couple of polls just out of interest but i don't know how to do it
For everyone out there sitting their atpl's GOOD LUCK
Was interested in what subject people found the hardest in their atpl's? Also was wondering who is sitting their atpl's just now? I would set up a couple of polls just out of interest but i don't know how to do it
For everyone out there sitting their atpl's GOOD LUCK
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Instruments can be hard but I sat it today and there were only about 3 Qs on gyros/compasses and nearly 30 on flight directors and GPWS - nice! Almost as easy as Comms.
Airframes/Systems is a huge subject to learn and I'd say General Nav is quite evil too as you're required to not only know how to do all the stuff but do it quickly and accurately.
POF and Met are supposedly tough but I recognised at least half the Qs straight from feedback and that's a great help!
Airframes/Systems is a huge subject to learn and I'd say General Nav is quite evil too as you're required to not only know how to do all the stuff but do it quickly and accurately.
POF and Met are supposedly tough but I recognised at least half the Qs straight from feedback and that's a great help!
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Passed them all 
However, mass and balance, performance I found the hardest of the lot.
Instruments I found ok, met was ok, radio ok
Nav was fairly ok with some niggles
Hope this helps, to be honest they are all hard work even the comms I suppose due to the fact it is easy to fail because of the little room for error
However, mass and balance, performance I found the hardest of the lot.
Instruments I found ok, met was ok, radio ok
Nav was fairly ok with some niggles
Hope this helps, to be honest they are all hard work even the comms I suppose due to the fact it is easy to fail because of the little room for error
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For me met is the killer. With nav i think the magnetic stuff we have to do is a total head f@@k so i'm going to risk it and learn the feedback for compasses. Am finding mass and balance very simple, i hope i don't get a shock in the exam
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All done now thankfully, but the difficult ones were:
Gen Nav (you need to be fast and accurate)
Performance (never really understood it)
Air Law (a load of dry and boring facts)
Gen Nav (you need to be fast and accurate)
Performance (never really understood it)
Air Law (a load of dry and boring facts)
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Have just completed Mod 1 with BGS and only tripped up on Met by a couple of percent, which was the one subject I was really worried about. 
I think it really depends on the individual. I have found Met such a tricky one to get my head around but yet had no problems with G. Nav, M&B or Flight Planning. The only other subject I was a bit concerned about was Instruments, but in the end it turned out to be not as painful as I thought.
It's on with Mod 2 now so can't comment on the those yet. Only why did Bristol have to start it off with Hydraulics, eughhh!!!
MD2K
I think it really depends on the individual. I have found Met such a tricky one to get my head around but yet had no problems with G. Nav, M&B or Flight Planning. The only other subject I was a bit concerned about was Instruments, but in the end it turned out to be not as painful as I thought.
It's on with Mod 2 now so can't comment on the those yet. Only why did Bristol have to start it off with Hydraulics, eughhh!!!
MD2K