Cross country Flight Time for hour building
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Cross country Flight Time for hour building
Hello all,
what does cross country flight mean?
How do I have to organize my hour building time to be sure that any FTO refuse me?
Do FTOs ask for special (additional) requirements about flight time?
what does cross country flight mean?
How do I have to organize my hour building time to be sure that any FTO refuse me?
Do FTOs ask for special (additional) requirements about flight time?
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Depends which country your in and which authority your license is going to be with.
And as much as everyone thinks JAR is all the same there are quite a few differences country to country.
If you did your hour building in the UK with a JAR license there wouldn't be any probs with you rocking up and having a check flight then hiring a plane as much as you like.
Again in the UK FTO's just check that you have the required pre course requirments which are usually only hours based eg 150 hrs TT etc etc.
And as much as everyone thinks JAR is all the same there are quite a few differences country to country.
If you did your hour building in the UK with a JAR license there wouldn't be any probs with you rocking up and having a check flight then hiring a plane as much as you like.
Again in the UK FTO's just check that you have the required pre course requirments which are usually only hours based eg 150 hrs TT etc etc.
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OK thanks, but now I fly in France to do the IR/CPL in UK.
For instance a quite famous uk FTO requires for the IR 70 pic hours and 20 cross country pic hours. What does it mean?
For instance a quite famous uk FTO requires for the IR 70 pic hours and 20 cross country pic hours. What does it mean?
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As far as I know, "cross country time" is any flight time outside of the circuit.
PIC = Pilot in Command. (P1)
The term "Qualifying Cross Country" is a bit different as that is a 'defined trip'. PPL is 150 nm trip in a single day with two, land away, full stop landings and get your chit signed by ATC at destinations. For the CPL it's 300 nm with two, land away, full stop landings. No chit to get signed for this one.
PIC = Pilot in Command. (P1)
The term "Qualifying Cross Country" is a bit different as that is a 'defined trip'. PPL is 150 nm trip in a single day with two, land away, full stop landings and get your chit signed by ATC at destinations. For the CPL it's 300 nm with two, land away, full stop landings. No chit to get signed for this one.
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If you are going to be doing anything in the UK there is a book called lasors.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts...Bookmarked.pdf
Right click on that link and save cause its huge.
It details all the pre course requirements for the various ratings and licenses. Section E is IR.
Xcountry in the UK is anything which is more than a couple of miles away from an airfield or something like that. Alot of folk in the UK do circuits which could be counted as xcountrys.
PIC is when you have signed the techlog as the captain of the aircraft. ie there isn't an instructor on board or an examinor just you and whoever you have taken for a flight.
Some of the stuff can be a bit confusing so once you have a read of that document come back with any questions.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts...Bookmarked.pdf
Right click on that link and save cause its huge.
It details all the pre course requirements for the various ratings and licenses. Section E is IR.
Xcountry in the UK is anything which is more than a couple of miles away from an airfield or something like that. Alot of folk in the UK do circuits which could be counted as xcountrys.
PIC is when you have signed the techlog as the captain of the aircraft. ie there isn't an instructor on board or an examinor just you and whoever you have taken for a flight.
Some of the stuff can be a bit confusing so once you have a read of that document come back with any questions.
To quote both JAR-FCL 1.001 and FCL.010, Cross-country means "A flight between a point of departure and a point of arrival following a pre–planned route using standard navigation procedures." The popular misconception that a cross-country flight is defined as being any flight that ventures more that 3 miles from the airfield is the result of a schoolboy error in reading Schedule 7 of the UK ANO.
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What does the ANO say ?
Its part B section one
Its something like for the purposes of this section or something like that.
cross country is anything over 3 miles.
And covers ratings.
Realistically nobody has a clue what you are doing if your not in the circuit ie out with 3 miles. Nobody is going to ask you for your logs of any flight. So if you go up for an hour and log 6 landings you can't log xcountry . If you go up for an hour and only log one you can count it.
Lets face your pre planned route can be to go from the airfield to the training area which is visable from the circuit and then return after general handling practise. Using the standard navigation procedure of looking out the window.
Its part B section one
Its something like for the purposes of this section or something like that.
cross country is anything over 3 miles.
And covers ratings.
Realistically nobody has a clue what you are doing if your not in the circuit ie out with 3 miles. Nobody is going to ask you for your logs of any flight. So if you go up for an hour and log 6 landings you can't log xcountry . If you go up for an hour and only log one you can count it.
Lets face your pre planned route can be to go from the airfield to the training area which is visable from the circuit and then return after general handling practise. Using the standard navigation procedure of looking out the window.
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thank you guys!
Surly, I will have attention in logging hours and well indicate the numbers of landings. Actually I am doing more circular flights siuch as 50/60 nm. But I am going to organize some bigger navigation around France when the mto will be better.
In any case I am considering to do the last 10 hours in the fto where I will be (I did not choose it yet) to get confident with the uk airspace...!
The pdf document is very interesting.
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Surly, I will have attention in logging hours and well indicate the numbers of landings. Actually I am doing more circular flights siuch as 50/60 nm. But I am going to organize some bigger navigation around France when the mto will be better.
In any case I am considering to do the last 10 hours in the fto where I will be (I did not choose it yet) to get confident with the uk airspace...!
The pdf document is very interesting.
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The phrase "For the purposes of this Section", clearly refers to Section 1 of Part B of Schedule 7. In this Section, the only reference to 'cross-country' is in relation to the privileges of the AFI Rating and the restrictions placed on the FI Rating. The experience requirements for the issue of licences and ratings do not appear in the ANO but in JAR-FCL and so it is the definition contained in the latter document that is relevant to the original question. In any case, this all becomes academic in a few months when, in relation to EASA licences at least, the provisions of current national legislation are over-ridden by EU law.
