How many hours needed for....?

[king rooney]

because fougamaster said that he did his mep right after his ppl. I assume therefore that he had for some reason accumulated 70hrs pic during his ppl training. Thus demonstrating that pic hours during ppl training can count towards the 70.

therefore, as I have 10pic from my ppl training., i only need 60 more to get the required 70. Simple logic my american friend.

[Keygrip]

Astonishing.

I'm actually lost for words.

[king rooney]

what, ur astonished that I only need 60 more pic hrs, or ur astonished by my logic?

[IMC007]

Your P1 hours gained during your PPL can be counted towards the 70 PIC hours required before being issued with a MEP class rating.

[FougaMagister]

King rooney - just to clear a misunderstanding, I had NOT accumulated 70 hrs PIC as part of my PPL (now that would have been a lot!); when I said I did the MEP(L) right after PPL, I meant before embarking on the ATPLs, the CPL, the IR, etc.

I did 70 hours PIC mostly through SE hour-building immediately after PPL (which in Florida, took just a few weeks), then started the MEP(L) course.

Cheers

[FlyingForFun]

I think what Keygrip is probably trying to get at is that you could do the MEP now if you wanted. There is no hours requirement to do the course.

However, having completed the course, you could not apply to the CAA to have the rating added to your license until you had accumulated 70 hours PIC (including the solo time you acquired during your PPL training).

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[EIDW_PILOT]

With regard to the MEP class rating, can you only fly the type of aircraft you have done your rating on or does the MEP entitle you to fly on a range of twin aircraft in the MEP class range?

Cheers

[IRRenewal]

EIDW_PILOT,

As far as JAR is conconrned, there are no types anymore. They are all grouped in the class of Multi Engine Piston (Land) aircraft.

A MEP class rating allows you (legally) to fly any aircraft in that class.

Whether a club will let you fly one without a check-out is a different issue (and also highly unlikely).

Cheers

Gerard

[Keygrip]

Whilst what IRR says is technically correct, JAA does require differences training on each model and/or make.

If you fly, say, a Seneca 2 - you need differences training to fly a Seneca 3. If you fly a PA44 Seminole, you need differences training to fly a Beech Duchess - etcetera.

[EIDW_PILOT]

Cheers for the replies, just asking cos I have an SA PPL and was thinking of getting my MEP class rating next time I'm in SA and save a few bob towards my CPL / Multi Ir. But was in doubt if my MEP class rating was limited to the aircraft I gained it on but as I understand it now I wont be when it comes to training for my CPL / Multi IR?

[expedite08]

Hours and CPL issue

Hi all,

I have been looking in to Commercial schools for completion of my CPL, and have a query regarding hours.

Most schools quote that you require 150 hours TT with 70 PIC. I have seen though that you require 200 hours in order to get your CPL issued. Surley then these schools should stipulate 175 hours before you start the CPL, then at least you can get the licence issued and not have to go and do another 25hours of hour building?

Just wondering if anyone has been caught out by this, and had to do just what I have described above.

Also if you are looking to do an FI rating, can these hours count towards the 200 required? Or do you need the green book issued before you start that course even though you would have passed the flight test?

Hope it makes sense, it dosent to me!!

Many thanks,

Expedite

[tescoapp]

If you then go from CPL to IR you will then have enough to get the CPL issued. You will proberly also have 5 hours for the MEP and another 7 hours from the CPL/MEP and IR tests. And you can include some sim time as well.

In regards to the FI you need 200 hours before you start the course unless you are an intergrated type person.

[mcgoo]

you only need 150 hours for the CPL if you are on an approved course of training, ie integrated, otherwise you need 200 hours.

[waterpau]

LASORS (Section D1.2(D)) states that for a modular course, 100 hours PIC is required before the CPL can be issued. Where does the 70 hours PIC come into it? Are any of the hours completed on the CPL P1 or P1 U/S?

waterpau

[tescoapp]

The only limit that i can think of which 70 hours PIC is the MEP issue.

Maybe they only have a MEP complex type so you will have to comply with the MEP rating stuff as well.

[XL319]

Think he's getting mixed up with the ME rating which you must have 70 hours PIC before completing that course

[expedite08]

Thanks for the replies,

I was getting mixed up on the PIC requirement. I understand its 100 hours P1.

What still baffles me though is the hour building side of it and the 150 TT before you can start the course, doing the course would then bring you up to 175, then where would you get the other 25 hours from to get the thing issued.

Im modular and intending to do the instructors course after the CPL and instruct for a year or so before I go for the IR. I guess it just means I will have to get to 175 hours before I think about the CPL.

By saying that 150 hours are required I would say most schools expect you to go straight on to the IR on completion of the CPL?

A little frustrating considering the integrated route you need less! We shall not go in to that one!

[wbryce]

Originally Posted by expedite08

A little frustrating considering the integrated route you need less!

Look on the bright side, it costs them 30k more for less flying!

[tescoapp]

I would do it at 150 hours.

You never know you might need a few hours extra training or and extra test. At least it will go towards the total required, if you have 175 its extra which you didn't need to pay for. Also means that you could hire a plane during your CPL and go and practise some nav solo.

[expedite08]

Wybryce,

Very true indeed!!

Teascoup,( please excuse the spelling!!) That sounds like a good idea. I guess the hours will get there in the end. Will just have to extend the loan a little for the extra if needed!