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Very interesting article in the irish independent today. It now apears that poor ol' aspiring medical students now have to PAY, yes PAY, 40,000Euros to embark upon their courses at the very prestigious royal college of surgeons. Many are shocked and horrified and there are claims that it is only "paying for a degree". Come to think of it...isnt that what we pilots are doing??? oh the bitter sweet irony of it all. what next, will our doctors have to pay hospitals and clinics for training and hours of experience before they can apply for a practice??? And if you thought giving forgein pilots jobs in the UK/IRL market was unique to airlines..well the PC brigade have made sure at least 25 spots will be up for grabs for those poor devils in the EU who are homeless in the street and cant get by in their own country 
. Its a funny old world....
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=13649
Eilish O'Regan
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STUDENTS will have to pay €40,000 a year to become doctors.
Under new government plans colleges will, for the first time, open up additional places for graduates wanting to study medicine.
Yesterday, one of the colleges, the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, revealed it will be charging €40,000 a year for those accepted on to its course.
The size of the fees will come as a surprise to many groups lobbying for the change. It will spark accusations of "degree buying".
The college said it will offer 50 places on the course beginning this autumn, including 25 to EU and Irish students.
The first 25 EU students chosen will each get a scholarship of €15,000.
It is to set up a loan scheme with AIB which they can repay after graduating. Last week, Health Minister Mary Harney and Education Minister Mary Hanafin announced the graduate entry programme to medical schools will provide 240 extra places a year.
The country's other medical schools will shortly have to submit a tender to the Higher Education Authority to run the graduate entry courses beginning in autumn 2007. It is unclear how much they will charge.
The Government has not signalled any intention to subsidise the fees.
. Its a funny old world....http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=13649
Eilish O'Regan
Health Correspondent
STUDENTS will have to pay €40,000 a year to become doctors.
Under new government plans colleges will, for the first time, open up additional places for graduates wanting to study medicine.
Yesterday, one of the colleges, the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, revealed it will be charging €40,000 a year for those accepted on to its course.
The size of the fees will come as a surprise to many groups lobbying for the change. It will spark accusations of "degree buying".
The college said it will offer 50 places on the course beginning this autumn, including 25 to EU and Irish students.
The first 25 EU students chosen will each get a scholarship of €15,000.
It is to set up a loan scheme with AIB which they can repay after graduating. Last week, Health Minister Mary Harney and Education Minister Mary Hanafin announced the graduate entry programme to medical schools will provide 240 extra places a year.
The country's other medical schools will shortly have to submit a tender to the Higher Education Authority to run the graduate entry courses beginning in autumn 2007. It is unclear how much they will charge.
The Government has not signalled any intention to subsidise the fees.
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I don't know about Eire, but in UK foreign students have always had to pay the full costs of their further education. No doubt some are sponsored by home governments or other organisations, but the true costs involved are frightening!
Even English (nearly said UK, but Scotland is different) national medical students are expected to have to borrow upwards of £20,000 in order to complete their courses. The days of free further education are long gone. It will get worse.
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Even English (nearly said UK, but Scotland is different) national medical students are expected to have to borrow upwards of £20,000 in order to complete their courses. The days of free further education are long gone. It will get worse.
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Yes that is correct
Foreign means none-EU in the UK University sector..
In the UK Foreign students (Those outside the EU) if, and I say if they were accepted onto a course of medical training which is very competitive they would have to pay for each of the 5 years of training for the MB BS.
Oxford University Medicine is £20,820/year
http://www.admissions.ox.ac.uk/finance/#ove
As for most universities, the annual tuition fee at Oxford in 2006 will be £3,000 for Home/EU
The average living cost for an Oxford undergraduate in college accommodation in 2006 is expected to be £5,700 per year as well
Of course the nice thing about medicine is that the profession is well paid GPs earn around £100,000 pa and there are still plenty of jobs available..
That cannot be said for pilots who go into a buyers market upon getting their Frozen 'airline' pilots' licence...................... Almost all of their experience having been gained on a single crew light aircraft - the cost of getting them fit for purpose falls to the airline... well historically anyway
In the UK Foreign students (Those outside the EU) if, and I say if they were accepted onto a course of medical training which is very competitive they would have to pay for each of the 5 years of training for the MB BS.
Oxford University Medicine is £20,820/year
http://www.admissions.ox.ac.uk/finance/#ove
As for most universities, the annual tuition fee at Oxford in 2006 will be £3,000 for Home/EU
The average living cost for an Oxford undergraduate in college accommodation in 2006 is expected to be £5,700 per year as well
Of course the nice thing about medicine is that the profession is well paid GPs earn around £100,000 pa and there are still plenty of jobs available..
That cannot be said for pilots who go into a buyers market upon getting their Frozen 'airline' pilots' licence...................... Almost all of their experience having been gained on a single crew light aircraft - the cost of getting them fit for purpose falls to the airline... well historically anyway
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Originally Posted by RVR800
Of course the nice thing about medicine is that the profession is well paid GPs earn around £100,000 pa and there are still plenty of jobs available..
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Varies
GP Pay varies HUGELY depedning on if you are salaried, a partner, a locum or a mixture.
Salaried jobs vary from about £55k to £80k for 8-9 sessions (i.e 4 days or 4 and a hlaf days, with NO nights or weekends.)
Locums earn between £300 and abour £500 per day depending on where in the country and the time of year / demand
Partners now average about £90-100k, although partners in good practices can earn over £150k withouth doing any weekends or nights (this is extra!!)
(Anyway there is no shorage of application we a have a 19 to 1 ratio)
Salaried jobs vary from about £55k to £80k for 8-9 sessions (i.e 4 days or 4 and a hlaf days, with NO nights or weekends.)
Locums earn between £300 and abour £500 per day depending on where in the country and the time of year / demand
Partners now average about £90-100k, although partners in good practices can earn over £150k withouth doing any weekends or nights (this is extra!!)
(Anyway there is no shorage of application we a have a 19 to 1 ratio)
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Yes jephcott you are
My training (post university) is costing not much under £20k. I did not do a law degree though, so had to do a one year conversion course. About £18-19k for the two years.
The difference between that and training for your fatpl is that there are many “sponsorship” deals available. If you are going to become a solicitor the norm is to get your job offer two years before you start. The firm then pays your course for you (the £20k) and will give you up to around £7000 a year living expenses. Some will even pay your course fees retrospectively. Not bad really. That is the top city firms only mind. I believe the process is similar for the bar re the top barristers sets.
You then join the firm and kiss goodbye to daylight and your life.
My training (post university) is costing not much under £20k. I did not do a law degree though, so had to do a one year conversion course. About £18-19k for the two years.
The difference between that and training for your fatpl is that there are many “sponsorship” deals available. If you are going to become a solicitor the norm is to get your job offer two years before you start. The firm then pays your course for you (the £20k) and will give you up to around £7000 a year living expenses. Some will even pay your course fees retrospectively. Not bad really. That is the top city firms only mind. I believe the process is similar for the bar re the top barristers sets.
You then join the firm and kiss goodbye to daylight and your life.
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Central London or not, RVRs figures seem pretty high.. I know there are extra insensitives for GPs these days but central London GP mates of mine are earning less than 50k. My girlfriend is an anaesthetist at UCH and on around 45K, I think. And that's after 4 years of hardcore shifts, nights etc. I've got other medic mates who are house officers in regional general hospitals on 35kish. I'm not doubting RVRs comments, by the way.. general practice is very attractive these days. But it's not the only salary benchmark in medicine.
