Please, tell me good news...
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Please, tell me good news...
Hello everybody,
I have got some bad news from france, because Air France would require in the futur (march 2006) maybe a bac+2, it is Two years of studies in a french university.
the correspondence is :
Baccalaureat (france)
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(i think) 5 certificats General Certificate of Secondary Education (GCSE) and 2 certificats du Advanced level du General Certificate of Education (GCE-'A' Level).
So, do you know if the companies in UK require more that it's written above?
must you do many years in a university ? (i think it's bachelor, itsn't it?)
many thank's
sam, a french disappointed...
I have got some bad news from france, because Air France would require in the futur (march 2006) maybe a bac+2, it is Two years of studies in a french university.
the correspondence is :
Baccalaureat (france)
=
(i think) 5 certificats General Certificate of Secondary Education (GCSE) and 2 certificats du Advanced level du General Certificate of Education (GCE-'A' Level).
So, do you know if the companies in UK require more that it's written above?
must you do many years in a university ? (i think it's bachelor, itsn't it?)
many thank's
sam, a french disappointed...
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Hi Sam,
To my knowledge no airlines in the UK require any type of university education. I do not believe that many require 'A' levels either - most accept the ATPL exams as proof of your academic suitability.
Having said that though I would not have thought that many people with such a low level of formal education would be called to interview given the number of applicants at the moment - unless you had a good reason to have left school at 16 your CV may look a little on the thin side.
Good luck wherever you end up (and if you are still at school don't leave in too much haste - it is much harder to go back later in life if you find you need to)
To my knowledge no airlines in the UK require any type of university education. I do not believe that many require 'A' levels either - most accept the ATPL exams as proof of your academic suitability.
Having said that though I would not have thought that many people with such a low level of formal education would be called to interview given the number of applicants at the moment - unless you had a good reason to have left school at 16 your CV may look a little on the thin side.
Good luck wherever you end up (and if you are still at school don't leave in too much haste - it is much harder to go back later in life if you find you need to)
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What makes you think that it will be easier to get a job in the UK if you dont meet the academic requirements in France.
There are Wannabes everywhere in the UK, some with University Degrees (me and my friends), still looking for there first job.
What makes you think that it will be easier to get a job in the UK if you dont meet the academic requirements in France.
There are Wannabes everywhere in the UK, some with University Degrees (me and my friends), still looking for there first job.
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Originally Posted by ifleeplanes
This is NOT a spelling test it is an open forum.
The inability to differentiate between there, their and they're (as well as your and you're) indicates a basic lack of understanding of the English language.
It is also VERY irritating (but not as bad as txt spk).
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Originally Posted by Farrell
....and with spelling like that.......
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ifleeplanes - you may think that people like moggiee, I and many others are pedantic bores for pulling you up on your spelling and grammar. The fact is, if I see badly written English (foreign posters excepted), I automatically presume that it's because you're a little bit thick.
That may be incorrect, but, and here's the aviation related point, I suspect many people in charge of pilot hiring feel the same. I've been responsible for recruitment in the past and if someone can't be arsed to use their spellchecker before they send out their CV, I put it straight in the bin.
That may be incorrect, but, and here's the aviation related point, I suspect many people in charge of pilot hiring feel the same. I've been responsible for recruitment in the past and if someone can't be arsed to use their spellchecker before they send out their CV, I put it straight in the bin.
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Originally Posted by moggiee
You missed the absence of the "?" at the end of the first sentence and his "me and my friends" - which should be "my friends and me".
Sorry, I shall disappear with the pedantic hat right away...
Originally Posted by strafer
That may be incorrect, but, and here's the aviation related point, I suspect many people in charge of pilot hiring feel the same. I've been responsible for recruitment in the past and if someone can't be arsed to use their spellchecker before they send out their CV, I put it straight in the bin.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Zulu
Should it not be, "my friends and I"?
"There are Wannabes everywhere in the UK, some with University Degrees (me)"
when you add "my friends" it should become:
"There are Wannabes everywhere in the UK, some with University Degrees (my friends and me)".
You would not say:
"There are Wannabes everywhere in the UK, some with University Degrees (I)"
so it is not "my friends and I".
Next question?
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This is a posting by a French chap who is probably using a second language.
Answer the guy, help him out, thats what Pprune is for isn't it? It isnt his CV, it is a question on an open forum, so yes you are being bores.
Answer the guy, help him out, thats what Pprune is for isn't it? It isnt his CV, it is a question on an open forum, so yes you are being bores.
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Educational requirements are just another filter for airlines / recruitment. It would seem to be the next logical step for operators in the UK (I know Air Canada quotes Post Secondary Education as an advantage)
I have 9 GCSE's, 3 A levels and no degree. The fact I have no degree has no bearing on my flying ability. I know people with a 1st from Cambridge that I wouldn't trust to do up their own shoes.
And as for the spelling / grammar police, I agree it is a tad annoying and the fact that a CV would be thrown in the bin is true, but if I see it on PPRuNe, I notice the error and move on. This "one upmanship" that goes one with "You spelt this wrong" is boring and tedious. Save it for the schoolkids.
I have 9 GCSE's, 3 A levels and no degree. The fact I have no degree has no bearing on my flying ability. I know people with a 1st from Cambridge that I wouldn't trust to do up their own shoes.
And as for the spelling / grammar police, I agree it is a tad annoying and the fact that a CV would be thrown in the bin is true, but if I see it on PPRuNe, I notice the error and move on. This "one upmanship" that goes one with "You spelt this wrong" is boring and tedious. Save it for the schoolkids.
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Originally Posted by FFP
Educational requirements are just another filter for airlines / recruitment. It would seem to be the next logical step for operators in the UK (I know Air Canada quotes Post Secondary Education as an advantage)
AF apparently have raised their requirements as well.
Clearly, it's just a matter of time when it will become standard in UK airlines' recruitment processes.
So how long before digi-yoof wannabes begin to realise that "me n me m8s" is not an acceptable from of prose? "My friends and I" being the correct form.
"Nah, sdoinmeedin, snofair".....
A certain scholarship scheme requires candidates to complete a written narrative. Many are indescribably poor. Some of the best-written come from those for whom English is not their mother tongue. Which only goes to show how appallingly low UK educational standards now are.
"Nah, sdoinmeedin, snofair".....
A certain scholarship scheme requires candidates to complete a written narrative. Many are indescribably poor. Some of the best-written come from those for whom English is not their mother tongue. Which only goes to show how appallingly low UK educational standards now are.
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I fully agree Beags. But for the rest of us, it just gets boring waiting for the inevitable school lesson to appear on the thread as the next post.
If the initial poster really is inept at spelling / grammar, then they will find out when they fail to get an interview. Now if someone comes on here with " I is not able to get in a job can ne 1 explian why not ?" then give them the lecture.
It's not long before most threads degenerate into what I would imagine to be an ISS meeting
If the initial poster really is inept at spelling / grammar, then they will find out when they fail to get an interview. Now if someone comes on here with " I is not able to get in a job can ne 1 explian why not ?" then give them the lecture.
It's not long before most threads degenerate into what I would imagine to be an ISS meeting
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Hi THERE(hope that's ok with you english examiners),
I have 9 average GCSE's and 2 bad A-Levels and my qualifications have not stopped me in my career so far. As said earlier if you have the dedication and academic ability to pass the ATPL theory, then you should be ok. Futhermore, some airlines use verbal and numerical reasoning tests as part of THEIR selection process and I guess that is to weed out the academic from the not so academic.
In short, chill - shouldn't be a problem.
Ali1
I have 9 average GCSE's and 2 bad A-Levels and my qualifications have not stopped me in my career so far. As said earlier if you have the dedication and academic ability to pass the ATPL theory, then you should be ok. Futhermore, some airlines use verbal and numerical reasoning tests as part of THEIR selection process and I guess that is to weed out the academic from the not so academic.
In short, chill - shouldn't be a problem.
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In my opinion a degree makes little difference to most employers. I know of only one that generally prefers graduate pilots, and that is a fairly small operator which is reducing its UK operation at the moment, rather than expanding. The market is good, I know quite a few people who have recently started in commercial operations (I include myself) or are waiting on promising interviews. I suspect that Harry's impatient attitude is not helping him, and the poor grammar might be part of that. Of course I might be wrong; that and the apparent rudeness to Sam might just be hurried posting on Harry's part, and he might come across much better in an interview.
Moggiee
Actually, correctly, yes you should use "I" not me. It is the subject not he object. To confirm, note that you would say "I, with a degree", not "me, with a degree".
Ifleeplanes
The criticism is of Dirty Harry's grammar. He appears to be English and suggesting that it is difficult to get a job in the UK at the moment and that sam34 will struggle here without a degree (I even infer, perhaps incorrectly, that Harry doesn't like the idea of the French trying to get a job here).
FFP
Would often agree, but in this case the errors make Harry's post less smooth and easy to read.
Moggiee
Actually, correctly, yes you should use "I" not me. It is the subject not he object. To confirm, note that you would say "I, with a degree", not "me, with a degree".
Ifleeplanes
The criticism is of Dirty Harry's grammar. He appears to be English and suggesting that it is difficult to get a job in the UK at the moment and that sam34 will struggle here without a degree (I even infer, perhaps incorrectly, that Harry doesn't like the idea of the French trying to get a job here).
FFP
Would often agree, but in this case the errors make Harry's post less smooth and easy to read.
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oh come on, the grammar tests are usually the best posts. more interesting than bloody aeroplanes, i get enough of that all week.
despite the well reasoned argument, correct english remains 'my friends and i', still never mind. writing there instead of their, or your instead of you're (or yaw, if you like), aint a crime against humanity - if its typed absentmindedly on pprune. if someone sent me a cv in that state though, i suppose i'd use it for toilet paper.
the real giveaways are things like the use of 'of' in place of 'have', which you often see, as in 'you must of been in the special needs class' or ‘i should of learned what a preposition is’
and before some so and so asks, yes, i’ve got something better to do!!
bon weekend!
despite the well reasoned argument, correct english remains 'my friends and i', still never mind. writing there instead of their, or your instead of you're (or yaw, if you like), aint a crime against humanity - if its typed absentmindedly on pprune. if someone sent me a cv in that state though, i suppose i'd use it for toilet paper.
the real giveaways are things like the use of 'of' in place of 'have', which you often see, as in 'you must of been in the special needs class' or ‘i should of learned what a preposition is’
and before some so and so asks, yes, i’ve got something better to do!!
bon weekend!