FAA IR Conversion to JAA Multi IR in UK
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Re: FAA IR Conversion to JAA Multi IR in UK
Hi Ladies and gentlemen
Just the topic for which all of you will be able to assist me with!
I am not yet in a position to convert anything yet but will be soon hopefully.
I am in the process of deciding whether to do all my training in UK or most of it in USA with conversion later as you have all done.
May i just ask that with hindsight what would you do now if you were just beginning the flight training?
There appears to be good US schools that provide CPL/IR/ME then conversion courses in UK all for around £25000.
But if i have to undertake significantly more training when back in england then perhaps the UK only option may be better? I really would value your opinions on this factor.
I already have all the atpls and a low hour ppl so at least i wont have to concern myself with too much extra study.
look forward to hearing your views.
Jess
Just the topic for which all of you will be able to assist me with!
I am not yet in a position to convert anything yet but will be soon hopefully.
I am in the process of deciding whether to do all my training in UK or most of it in USA with conversion later as you have all done.
May i just ask that with hindsight what would you do now if you were just beginning the flight training?
There appears to be good US schools that provide CPL/IR/ME then conversion courses in UK all for around £25000.
But if i have to undertake significantly more training when back in england then perhaps the UK only option may be better? I really would value your opinions on this factor.
I already have all the atpls and a low hour ppl so at least i wont have to concern myself with too much extra study.
look forward to hearing your views.
Jess
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Re: FAA IR Conversion to JAA Multi IR in UK
Assuming you meant to say UK £25,000 (and not US$) then this is about the price I paid for my CPL/IR and ME here in the UK. (Not including ATPL exams, nor any hr building and course was done in minimum hrs).
So, if there is some reason why you want your FAA licence, then there seems little point doing it in the US then converting.
So, if there is some reason why you want your FAA licence, then there seems little point doing it in the US then converting.
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Hi,
Anyone can tell us about british companies and spanish IR if it's a problem or not ?
I can understand that some instructors find the spanish IR appalling but on the basis of what ? facts please.
PS : It reminds me french guys saying "Oh the american IR is a joke us the french it's a real IR not like the US, as far as I know the country of aviation is the US not France : )
Thanks guys.
Anyone can tell us about british companies and spanish IR if it's a problem or not ?
I can understand that some instructors find the spanish IR appalling but on the basis of what ? facts please.
PS : It reminds me french guys saying "Oh the american IR is a joke us the french it's a real IR not like the US, as far as I know the country of aviation is the US not France : )
Thanks guys.
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RTFP! Not a statement about the Spanish IR being appalling in this instance, but the standard of a student who turned up for the CPL to add to an IR. It therefore hints at a previous school training problem, rather than a blanket statement regarding Spanish IRs. As this is the only student I've come across, it is impossible to comment on the quality of IRs from Spain. As I said, there's been few applications requesting which country you did the IR in.
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My mystake no_sponsor, my english is very poor so I didn't make myself clear it was not about your comment it reminded a french comment : ) about the US IR
As you said we cannot say nothing about the Spanish IR after all it's a JAA state, so thanks for your answers it seems that's not automatic to ask about where you did your IR.
If it was not a problem of money I'll do it in UK but it's very difficult to save all that money knowing that in Spain it's cheaper and faster (weather) and almost half price.
Well I wish you all a cockpit very soon : )
Cheers.
As you said we cannot say nothing about the Spanish IR after all it's a JAA state, so thanks for your answers it seems that's not automatic to ask about where you did your IR.
If it was not a problem of money I'll do it in UK but it's very difficult to save all that money knowing that in Spain it's cheaper and faster (weather) and almost half price.
Well I wish you all a cockpit very soon : )
Cheers.
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Although the requirement is 50hrs for the IR if you have a CPL, under no circumstances budget for 50hrs. Most tend to take a little longer, some 1-2 hrs more, others more than 10. Only when you get the pass in the 170A can you do a test. There are nightmare stories about IRs that took 75+ hrs, and I know another who just started the 50hrs from scratch are receiving dubious training and failing his IR exam (done in the UK).
Never select a school on cost alone! It will be your undoing. If you're Chuck Yeager, it will still take 50hrs...
Look at student/instructor ratio. Mine was at about 2:1, so I always got a good half a day of briefing, de-briefing, etc. The rest of my time was spent in the Frasca, reading and planning for the next day. I heard these awful stories of 5:1 instructor ratios where the briefings and de-brief were done in the aircraft during taxi!!
Look at pass rates, and speak to exsiting students. I did my IR in the UK at PAT in Bournemouth.
Never select a school on cost alone! It will be your undoing. If you're Chuck Yeager, it will still take 50hrs...
Look at student/instructor ratio. Mine was at about 2:1, so I always got a good half a day of briefing, de-briefing, etc. The rest of my time was spent in the Frasca, reading and planning for the next day. I heard these awful stories of 5:1 instructor ratios where the briefings and de-brief were done in the aircraft during taxi!!
Look at pass rates, and speak to exsiting students. I did my IR in the UK at PAT in Bournemouth.
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Ok, I have had a lot of P.Ms about the process so here is some info.
ICAO IR holders can get an hours reduction from the UK CAA only. The rating itself can be done at any JAA FTO anywhere in Europe; however you must be firstly a CAA license holder. In simple language if you don't have a CAA book you would have to do a full 55 hour modular course.
The school I dealt with in Spain knew all about 170a tests and all the paperwork. Once this is complete with the corresponding paperwork from the examiner you send it all off to the UK CAA at Gatwick, they put the rating on your licensee with a CAA stamp. It does not say where, or what country it was completed, they are the issuing authority. The Civil Aviation authority of the country you do the rating in is only supervising the training.
As for the schools. I had an FAA IR and, for a student, a solid block of IFR flying in the US. Despite the contempt that the training establishments on this side of the pond hold them in, they were bloody hard tests especially the Oral. I didn't feel that I wanted to jump through the same hoops again in the UK, especially in terms of expense. I spent ~3,500GBP converting in Spain, I was told I would expect to pay up to 10,000 GBP in the UK as I would not pass in the minimum 15hrs.
As to the standard? Well I can only talk of the small school I dealt with. I certainly would not have wanted to do the initial rating there. The standards were poor; students were rarely put under the hood or similar devices. Navaids were in short supply often a remote navaid was used with a modified approach plate to suit. Practice Approaches at major airfields were difficult to get as the military controllers were on an unofficial go slow.
Like I said earlier, for me it was the path of least resistance, I got the rating converted from my FAA in 8 days, at a considerably reduced price.
As for being asked where your rating was completed, I can't comment. I am now flying with a major European airline and at interview they were not interested, just as long as I had a license number for them to fill in on their form.
Also interesting to note that I did my CPL in the US and my IR in Spain, yet I have a CAA license and have never flown in UK airspace.....
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ICAO IR holders can get an hours reduction from the UK CAA only. The rating itself can be done at any JAA FTO anywhere in Europe; however you must be firstly a CAA license holder. In simple language if you don't have a CAA book you would have to do a full 55 hour modular course.
The school I dealt with in Spain knew all about 170a tests and all the paperwork. Once this is complete with the corresponding paperwork from the examiner you send it all off to the UK CAA at Gatwick, they put the rating on your licensee with a CAA stamp. It does not say where, or what country it was completed, they are the issuing authority. The Civil Aviation authority of the country you do the rating in is only supervising the training.
As for the schools. I had an FAA IR and, for a student, a solid block of IFR flying in the US. Despite the contempt that the training establishments on this side of the pond hold them in, they were bloody hard tests especially the Oral. I didn't feel that I wanted to jump through the same hoops again in the UK, especially in terms of expense. I spent ~3,500GBP converting in Spain, I was told I would expect to pay up to 10,000 GBP in the UK as I would not pass in the minimum 15hrs.
As to the standard? Well I can only talk of the small school I dealt with. I certainly would not have wanted to do the initial rating there. The standards were poor; students were rarely put under the hood or similar devices. Navaids were in short supply often a remote navaid was used with a modified approach plate to suit. Practice Approaches at major airfields were difficult to get as the military controllers were on an unofficial go slow.
Like I said earlier, for me it was the path of least resistance, I got the rating converted from my FAA in 8 days, at a considerably reduced price.
As for being asked where your rating was completed, I can't comment. I am now flying with a major European airline and at interview they were not interested, just as long as I had a license number for them to fill in on their form.
Also interesting to note that I did my CPL in the US and my IR in Spain, yet I have a CAA license and have never flown in UK airspace.....
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Thank you apruneuk for your feed back and everyone else. I started at Stapleford on Monday as its local to me, which obviously means no accommodation costs..and no fast food expenses.
So far so good, friendly bunch and competitive prices too. The Diamond DA-42 is a b****** to fly though, makes the IR even harder! but thought this is the way forward, no point training on old aircraft when you can have the glass cockpit..Its nice to be able to say good bye to mixtures, manifold pressure, varible props etc so it has its bonuses...anyway will keep you all updated..have a look at the cockpit below:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=913714&size=L
So far so good, friendly bunch and competitive prices too. The Diamond DA-42 is a b****** to fly though, makes the IR even harder! but thought this is the way forward, no point training on old aircraft when you can have the glass cockpit..Its nice to be able to say good bye to mixtures, manifold pressure, varible props etc so it has its bonuses...anyway will keep you all updated..have a look at the cockpit below:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=913714&size=L
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Now I'm scared!
I am close to enrolling into a JAA converison course with CABAIR in Bournemouth. It's gonna cost me money but I choose the UK rather than France or Spain because the employment market looks better in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. And with the euro rate, well it's gonna cost even more.
But according to what I'm reading the UK isn't such a good idea. Any wise pilot around to advise me?
I am close to enrolling into a JAA converison course with CABAIR in Bournemouth. It's gonna cost me money but I choose the UK rather than France or Spain because the employment market looks better in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. And with the euro rate, well it's gonna cost even more.
But according to what I'm reading the UK isn't such a good idea. Any wise pilot around to advise me?
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Thats not what I read! It seems to me that more people are advising to do your coursework in the UK, especially if, when you're done, you want a job in the UK. A few people seem to hold Spain in very high regards but I didnt really read where people are saying that the UK is a bad idea. Perhaps I'm wrong though...did anyone say that? There were a couple of schools in the UK that were spoken highly of. One person did all of their conversion through the MCC at CABAIR and had no complaints. A couple of people for PAT, one or two for Stapleford (which really looks good, I'd look further into that one myself).
Overall it seems like the majority is saying stay in the UK if you want a job in the UK and to be familiar with UK airspace. Do your homework and dont just pick a school for its name or for its price. Visit the school first, hear from people who attended, check the instructor to student ratio, and make an informed decision.
Overall it seems like the majority is saying stay in the UK if you want a job in the UK and to be familiar with UK airspace. Do your homework and dont just pick a school for its name or for its price. Visit the school first, hear from people who attended, check the instructor to student ratio, and make an informed decision.
