Type Rating - ATR 42/72?
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Type Rating - ATR 42/72?
Dear all
I am considering doing an ATR type rating with Skyblue Aviation and I am looking for some feedback from recent trainees. I have heard that instructors are all very competent, but I am more concerned about the help they provide AFTER the course: do they really have good contacts in the industry? Do they try and facilitate your job search?
Thanks a lot for your help! All feedback on Skyblue is more than welcome!
And Happy New Year to all
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I am considering doing an ATR type rating with Skyblue Aviation and I am looking for some feedback from recent trainees. I have heard that instructors are all very competent, but I am more concerned about the help they provide AFTER the course: do they really have good contacts in the industry? Do they try and facilitate your job search?
Thanks a lot for your help! All feedback on Skyblue is more than welcome!
And Happy New Year to all
WW.
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Re: ATR Type rating with Skyblue Aviation
Yes, someone called the_receiver 2004 is doing a course with them. Not sure of his PM address though - sorry! I'm supposed to be doing the course in January but don't think I'll get the money together in time.
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Re: ATR Type rating with Skyblue Aviation
A friend did his ATR rating with them, found them very good. He said that a lot of the ATR operaters go to them to source people for interview as they are one of the few places (?) in the UK that do the rating. He got offers of work soon after finishing.
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ATR 42/72 Type Rating
Hello guys!
I am planning to do an ATR type rating this year.
I have selected some TRTOs on... ahum... the price
of the training and I now have to choose between Olympic Aviation's Flight Academy (Greece), Global Training Aviation (Spain) and Farnair (Switzerland).
As the prices they charge for a TR are "cheap", I'm afraid the quality of their training might be as cheap as their prices...
What do you think of these TRTOs? I'd like to get some feedback from guys who have gone throught their type rating...
Even if my thread is not about wonderful jet aircrafts
, I hope I'll get some answers and feedback 
I am planning to do an ATR type rating this year.
I have selected some TRTOs on... ahum... the price
of the training and I now have to choose between Olympic Aviation's Flight Academy (Greece), Global Training Aviation (Spain) and Farnair (Switzerland).As the prices they charge for a TR are "cheap", I'm afraid the quality of their training might be as cheap as their prices...
What do you think of these TRTOs? I'd like to get some feedback from guys who have gone throught their type rating...
Even if my thread is not about wonderful jet aircrafts
, I hope I'll get some answers and feedback
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That's the positive point when you do your type rating with an airline but there is no guaranty... I'm thinking of that but I would not choose Farnair only because of this point.
I'm more looking for information about the "quality" of training: kind of material/documentation used, at what time are planned the simu hours, experience of instructors, etc. There might be a lot of differences between a professional training center and a small airline.
I prefer not paying too much of course but I don't want just a stamp on my licence...
I'm more looking for information about the "quality" of training: kind of material/documentation used, at what time are planned the simu hours, experience of instructors, etc. There might be a lot of differences between a professional training center and a small airline.
I prefer not paying too much of course but I don't want just a stamp on my licence...
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You should consider Skyblue aviation in Exeter. £ 16,500 for the ATR type rating course, including the base training. Outstanding instructors, friendly atmosphere, they bend over backwards to accomodate your specific needs...
However, the market is not as good as it used to be for ATR type rated pilots... unless you already have good contacts with one of the operators (which I don't...
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Feel free to pm me if you need more details
WW.
However, the market is not as good as it used to be for ATR type rated pilots... unless you already have good contacts with one of the operators (which I don't...
).Feel free to pm me if you need more details
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I wouldn't do it at all. I wish people would just sit tight and not pay for a type.
Don't forget Air Wales dumped a load of ATR pilots on to the market.
If you look around the whole aviation market and cast your nets as wide as possible their are plenty of operators small and large that are still bonding.
Don't forget Air Wales dumped a load of ATR pilots on to the market.
If you look around the whole aviation market and cast your nets as wide as possible their are plenty of operators small and large that are still bonding.
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WW, I have some contacts with friends... of friends working with some operators, but I am not sure that will really help me. I am not able anymore to pm, not even to read them. I will contact you to have more information as soon as it is fixed.
Farnair price is 17,000€. The cheapest I've found is Olympic Aviation: 14,500€. The most expensive is in France: 50,000€ (yes, there is no mistake, fifty thousands), this
price includes MCC and some IFR training...
Airpilot, I know it is risky to pay for one's type rating. I have taken into account many factors and I've finally decided to go for it. alea jacta est.
Farnair price is 17,000€. The cheapest I've found is Olympic Aviation: 14,500€. The most expensive is in France: 50,000€ (yes, there is no mistake, fifty thousands), this
price includes MCC and some IFR training...Airpilot, I know it is risky to pay for one's type rating. I have taken into account many factors and I've finally decided to go for it. alea jacta est.
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Olympic might be cheaper, but remember that you would have to travel to/from Thessaloniki for the sim bit, and that's probably going to set you back more than going to either Spain or Britain.
Something that's got to be taken into account as well is the TRTO's reputation where you intend to find work; airline recruiters are usually creatures of habit, therefore they would usually favour an applicant that has been through a TRTO they know. For intance, most FOs with Aer Arann have been type rated either through ATR or through Skyblue; same goes for Air Contractors. Most, if not all, Atlantique crew went through Skyblue. Same goes for Aurigny. Why? Because the airlines were satisfied with the calibre of applicants issued by these TRTOs, and they don't see any reason to change now.
As has been mentioned, Air Wales' demise has created a (temporary) glut of ATR-rated applicants to other ATR operators; though that will subside in due time (some of them have had offers from non-ATR operators), now might not be the best time for the rating, unless you already have some very specific contacts.
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Something that's got to be taken into account as well is the TRTO's reputation where you intend to find work; airline recruiters are usually creatures of habit, therefore they would usually favour an applicant that has been through a TRTO they know. For intance, most FOs with Aer Arann have been type rated either through ATR or through Skyblue; same goes for Air Contractors. Most, if not all, Atlantique crew went through Skyblue. Same goes for Aurigny. Why? Because the airlines were satisfied with the calibre of applicants issued by these TRTOs, and they don't see any reason to change now.
As has been mentioned, Air Wales' demise has created a (temporary) glut of ATR-rated applicants to other ATR operators; though that will subside in due time (some of them have had offers from non-ATR operators), now might not be the best time for the rating, unless you already have some very specific contacts.
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Not so sure about the relationship between Arann and Sky Blue. Lately the company has introduced a sim assessment on the B737 for type rated FO's trained due to the number who have either failed their OPC on entering the company or struggled through line training. The standard in Sky Blue used to be very good but from the people I see lately it is not as good as it used to be for whatever reason. Now in saying that I'm not saying that everyone coming out of there is not up to scratch. I have found that Aer Arann are more cautious about taking people from there.
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Originally Posted by michaelknight
Not so sure about the relationship between Arann and Sky Blue. Lately the company has introduced a sim assessment on the B737 for type rated FO's trained due to the number who have either failed their OPC on entering the company or struggled through line training. The standard in Sky Blue used to be very good but from the people I see lately it is not as good as it used to be for whatever reason. Now in saying that I'm not saying that everyone coming out of there is not up to scratch. I have found that Aer Arann are more cautious about taking people from there.
So, are Aer Arann recruiting? There does not seem to be any information on this. The website states possible future vacancies for first officers, but you mention a sim ride, so it seems they are?
Presumably if the sim ride is 737 it must be based around GH ? Is this because they are recruiting non-TR guys?
All very intriguing.
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Aer Arann has always preferred to do in house type ratings as the company is a TRTO. This way they select their own candidates and train them using their own instructors and SOP's. This is common to all commercial operators in the world. However there are a few variables that can upset things along the way. It takes nowadays probably three months from the day you first turn up for your induction course at the company to be signed off at line check. This means that you are taking training staff away from their other duties in the company quite a lot over the course of this time. Technical training is conducted by qualified first officers in the company and all sim work by their TRE/TRI's. Line training is a minimum of 40 sectors. Coupled with this you must complete the various exams and standard first aid, dangerous goods, CRM courses etc along the way.
With all of what I have said in mind there comes a time when the company cannot wait that long for people to come through the system. When this happens they have to look elsewhere and that is where your type rated guys come along. My opinions in my previous post are based on my experience to date of one such training company, not on one's individual flying skills. Arann will always require first officers and especially captains. The company is growing at a phenomenal rate and expanding its fleet all the time. In my opinion there will be plenty of jobs in the near enough future. There are plenty of FO's coming close to command so they will all have to be replaced. Coupled with the the airline has ordered ten brand new aircraft to be delivered over the next three years so thats about 50 jobs in itself not withstanding those who move on within the company itself. Someone mentioned the Air Wales guys. From my understanding most had jobs within a few days of the company going under.
My point in the whole post is to be careful when going down the route of the self sponsored type rating. You will have to pay for your rating in Arann but you have a job at the end of it. If you ask any of the senior management they will always say they prefer to train their own guys. Now in saying that the company has a lot of ex Skyblue trained guys flying for them. Many of who are excellent. In fact most of them. It's the people we don't get to see that is a bit worrying. Lately many haven't made it through the initial stages of the Arann training despite their rating. Good luck to you if you go down that route and pick a company that you feel will give you the best value for the money you have payed.
With all of what I have said in mind there comes a time when the company cannot wait that long for people to come through the system. When this happens they have to look elsewhere and that is where your type rated guys come along. My opinions in my previous post are based on my experience to date of one such training company, not on one's individual flying skills. Arann will always require first officers and especially captains. The company is growing at a phenomenal rate and expanding its fleet all the time. In my opinion there will be plenty of jobs in the near enough future. There are plenty of FO's coming close to command so they will all have to be replaced. Coupled with the the airline has ordered ten brand new aircraft to be delivered over the next three years so thats about 50 jobs in itself not withstanding those who move on within the company itself. Someone mentioned the Air Wales guys. From my understanding most had jobs within a few days of the company going under.
My point in the whole post is to be careful when going down the route of the self sponsored type rating. You will have to pay for your rating in Arann but you have a job at the end of it. If you ask any of the senior management they will always say they prefer to train their own guys. Now in saying that the company has a lot of ex Skyblue trained guys flying for them. Many of who are excellent. In fact most of them. It's the people we don't get to see that is a bit worrying. Lately many haven't made it through the initial stages of the Arann training despite their rating. Good luck to you if you go down that route and pick a company that you feel will give you the best value for the money you have payed.
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Where does the base training of Skyblue' students take place?
Does this TRTO has an agreement with an airline or do they go to TLS?
On the JAA website, they are lists of TRTOs for each country member of the JAA. In Ireland, I've found nothing concerning Aer Arann.
Are you guys sure that Aer Arann is an approved TRTO for ATR type ratings?
Does this TRTO has an agreement with an airline or do they go to TLS?
On the JAA website, they are lists of TRTOs for each country member of the JAA. In Ireland, I've found nothing concerning Aer Arann.
Are you guys sure that Aer Arann is an approved TRTO for ATR type ratings?
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when I was at Skyblue oing the ATR rating, I did my base training with Air Wales at Cardiff, I know they have also used Air Contractors at Shannon and Aer Arann at Knock... so I guess who ever is available.
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