Oxford (OAT) assessment day - a review
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F3 -- You are without doubt an inspiration to all of us. I hope I did not cause any upset with my post, it could not have been easy to reply.
Good luck mate and ill see you on the cockpit one day soon
Good luck mate and ill see you on the cockpit one day soon
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F3,
Like people have said, good luck mate. After all that the least you deserve is a job! You got a lot of balls mate, hat off to you!
Good Luck!
Like people have said, good luck mate. After all that the least you deserve is a job! You got a lot of balls mate, hat off to you!
Good Luck!
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Thank you very much for the support guys.
I felt it neccessery to give the full story as I wouldn't want people thinking they were wasting their time in undertaking flying training.
On a positive note, virtually all the people I trained with secured the flying job they wanted - some easily, others needed more determination. As long as you have a valid class one and determination there is always hope.
What happened to me is somthing we all go through at some point in life, it was just unfortunate timing, not that any time is good of course!
Also, I'm no stronger than anyone else. When sad circumstances occur, one has no choice but to deal with them and do whatever feels right at the time.
Thanks again and sorry to have drifted the topic so far off track!
Back to Oxford and good luck to anyone attending assessment days.
I felt it neccessery to give the full story as I wouldn't want people thinking they were wasting their time in undertaking flying training.
On a positive note, virtually all the people I trained with secured the flying job they wanted - some easily, others needed more determination. As long as you have a valid class one and determination there is always hope.
What happened to me is somthing we all go through at some point in life, it was just unfortunate timing, not that any time is good of course!
Also, I'm no stronger than anyone else. When sad circumstances occur, one has no choice but to deal with them and do whatever feels right at the time.
Thanks again and sorry to have drifted the topic so far off track!
Back to Oxford and good luck to anyone attending assessment days.
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Just an update, after passing the oxford selection (second time round) I had a look at how much it would cost including food and housing (based on the OAT accommodation) and well 73K is a lot of money.
I met a guy on holiday who passed the aptitude tests for Jerez and said its a lot cheaper as accommodation is included as well as food and so it only costs around 63k, now 10k less debt is quite a substantial figure so I do plan to go and visit sometime in Easter and make a judgement on which I prefer and I will write a review and make a comparison.
Very sad what happened to your fairly (deepest sympathy)
If anyone would like any help with the Physics on the OAT selection PM and ill help you with the areas they are looking for.
I met a guy on holiday who passed the aptitude tests for Jerez and said its a lot cheaper as accommodation is included as well as food and so it only costs around 63k, now 10k less debt is quite a substantial figure so I do plan to go and visit sometime in Easter and make a judgement on which I prefer and I will write a review and make a comparison.
Very sad what happened to your fairly (deepest sympathy)
If anyone would like any help with the Physics on the OAT selection PM and ill help you with the areas they are looking for.
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Assessment processes are fine and are important as regards gauging future success but to be expected to pay for one at a commercial school where you're, presumably, considering being a paying customer is a bit cheeky.
Independent organisations such as GAPAN also offer aptitude testing for a fee. Fine - it's a useful service they offer and I'm not considering giving them 60k soon afterwards.
The selection costs should be absorbed by the FTO as a cost of doing business. OAT are a business, they will aim to make a profit.
A bit too idealistic perhaps but certainly fair. To get into university you have your qualifications/experience and no doubt one or more interviews. Job done. No cash exchanging hands - except maybe travel and accommodation - certainly nothing for the actual process. If there is a requirement (as at OAT) to go through selection, then it should be subsidised or paid for by the school. This, of course, applies to all FTOs, not just OAT.
Crikey this industry is expensive!!!
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Independent organisations such as GAPAN also offer aptitude testing for a fee. Fine - it's a useful service they offer and I'm not considering giving them 60k soon afterwards.
The selection costs should be absorbed by the FTO as a cost of doing business. OAT are a business, they will aim to make a profit.
A bit too idealistic perhaps but certainly fair. To get into university you have your qualifications/experience and no doubt one or more interviews. Job done. No cash exchanging hands - except maybe travel and accommodation - certainly nothing for the actual process. If there is a requirement (as at OAT) to go through selection, then it should be subsidised or paid for by the school. This, of course, applies to all FTOs, not just OAT.
Crikey this industry is expensive!!!
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Originally Posted by Vee One...Rotate
Assessment processes are fine and are important as regards gauging future success but to be expected to pay for one at a commercial school where you're, presumably, considering being a paying customer is a bit cheeky.
Originally Posted by Vee One...Rotate
To get into university you have your qualifications/experience and no doubt one or more interviews. Job done. No cash exchanging hands - except maybe travel and accommodation - certainly nothing for the actual process.
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F3: Was just interested in reading this thread because I trained at Oxford a few years ago. However, I thought that your first post was one of the funniest I have ever read (I think I know the barbed-tongued one) and the second was quite amazing. I am a bit late with this post but I sincerely hope that things go well for you from here on. Incredible to see someone with such a positive attitude. Someone is bound to snap you up. For what it is worth, I took a non-flying job with an airline when nothing better appeared. I am now in the right-hand seat of a 757...well not right now obviously!
All the best to everyone
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With regards to paying for assessments as Vee One said the FTO should have to absorb the costs.
CTC was £165 - sitting Advanced Pilapt
OAT was £195 - sitting Compass
FTE is £0, you pay for flights, then transport and tests are all included so perhaps we are slowly going the right way.
CTC was £165 - sitting Advanced Pilapt
OAT was £195 - sitting Compass
FTE is £0, you pay for flights, then transport and tests are all included so perhaps we are slowly going the right way.
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Look, maybe its me, but I cannot see the piont of spending good money just to get into a intergrated school. If you want to blow £75K+ just pop down to your local casino they will help you along. Oxford and others all tell you that they are the best and only they can get you a job.
How many students do Oxford have going through their school per year? How many of them have a job within six months? and is it on a Jet? I would ask these questions of any school I was looking at before I blew that much money.
I got my Blue book for half of what Oxford charge and amazingly enough it is the exact same as the one all you oxford guys get???? WOW
BTW I have not paid for any assessments and just last week had a assessment on a 737 for a job, been looking for 3 or 4 months. Not bad for a crappy modular student and even if I was asked to pay for a type rating I will still have change from £75K, enough to put down a large chunk on a nice RX8 for myself.
What the hell does that mean?????????
How many students do Oxford have going through their school per year? How many of them have a job within six months? and is it on a Jet? I would ask these questions of any school I was looking at before I blew that much money.
I got my Blue book for half of what Oxford charge and amazingly enough it is the exact same as the one all you oxford guys get???? WOW
BTW I have not paid for any assessments and just last week had a assessment on a 737 for a job, been looking for 3 or 4 months. Not bad for a crappy modular student and even if I was asked to pay for a type rating I will still have change from £75K, enough to put down a large chunk on a nice RX8 for myself.
Originally Posted by Locton9934
Perhaps it is a way of "clearing out" the people that are not serious about their flying training and just want something to do for 2 days, especially at someone else’s expense?
Perhaps it is a way of "clearing out" the people that are not serious about their flying training and just want something to do for 2 days, especially at someone else’s expense?
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If you dont like oranges - then dont buy one
If you dont like chocolate - then dont buy it
If you dont like BMW cars - then dont buy one
If you dont like OAT/FTE - THEN DONT BLOODY GO THERE!
SIMPLE, I would have thought. it appears not.......
Why do people feel the need to come on here and tell us all about how much they hate integrated schools? Have you honestly nothing better to do with your time?
We are all aware of the costs involved, the commitment, and the pressure we are under, needless to say we can do without all these stupid rants/digs at integrated schools.
Its a matter of personal choice where we go to train.
If you dont like it, then keep your thoughts to yourself.
If you dont like chocolate - then dont buy it
If you dont like BMW cars - then dont buy one
If you dont like OAT/FTE - THEN DONT BLOODY GO THERE!
SIMPLE, I would have thought. it appears not.......
Why do people feel the need to come on here and tell us all about how much they hate integrated schools? Have you honestly nothing better to do with your time?
We are all aware of the costs involved, the commitment, and the pressure we are under, needless to say we can do without all these stupid rants/digs at integrated schools.
Its a matter of personal choice where we go to train.
If you dont like it, then keep your thoughts to yourself.
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Got your back up Dlav have I???? By the way I rather like my BMW thankfully I CAN AFFORD to run it, after all I did not go to a Hyped up school.
as a wise man once said, you cannot argue with a fool
as a wise man once said, you cannot argue with a fool
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Originally Posted by Frank Furillo
How many students do Oxford have going through their school per year? How many of them have a job within six months? and is it on a Jet?
Originally Posted by Frank Furillo
What the hell does that mean?????????
Originally Posted by Frank Furillo
BTW I have not paid for any assessments and just last week had a assessment on a 737 for a job, been looking for 3 or 4 months. Not bad for a crappy modular student
I also agree with dlav, what is the point?
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I agree with dlav,
Why the hell does everyone slate OAT and FTE!!!
Come on guys drop it!!!
Frank Furillo i don't like BMW but am i having ago about BMW and how the only people who can afford them are stuck up tits and think they own the road??? The simle answer is NO!!! Go get a VW golf just as good and just as nice, but less exspensive and you get more for your money, but thats MY opinion, which i KEEP to myself.
This is a usfull thread for wannabes looking at doing the OAT selection, lets not turn it into another thread where all we do is go round and round in circles slaging off OAT and intrgrated.
I must admit im slighlty against spending the £190, it would not be to bad if you got it refunded to you once you started your course, but hey its aviation you have to spend money to blow your nose in this world!!!
Best of luck to anyone going to OAT for the assesment enjoy!!!
Hope u got the 737 job Frank Furillo!!
Why the hell does everyone slate OAT and FTE!!!
Come on guys drop it!!!
Frank Furillo i don't like BMW but am i having ago about BMW and how the only people who can afford them are stuck up tits and think they own the road??? The simle answer is NO!!! Go get a VW golf just as good and just as nice, but less exspensive and you get more for your money, but thats MY opinion, which i KEEP to myself.
This is a usfull thread for wannabes looking at doing the OAT selection, lets not turn it into another thread where all we do is go round and round in circles slaging off OAT and intrgrated.
I must admit im slighlty against spending the £190, it would not be to bad if you got it refunded to you once you started your course, but hey its aviation you have to spend money to blow your nose in this world!!!
Best of luck to anyone going to OAT for the assesment enjoy!!!
Hope u got the 737 job Frank Furillo!!
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As you asked, around about 250, about 83% (100% within a year), and not sure about the last one (anybody got any idea).
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Originally Posted by Permafrost_ATPL
So you asked around a couple of people and have come up with the exact figures of 83% and 100%? I'm sorry, I don't tend to criticise other posters on the forum, but this HAS to be made up. Unless by job, you mean any job, including dispatcher, ops, cabin crew, etc. I don't think even OAT will try and pretend it's 100%!!!
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Make your own conclusions about my calculations etc. They are not endorsed by OAT nor anyone else for that matter, just thought some people might be interested……obviously not.
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Originally Posted by lockton9334
100% is implied by OAT (as they never quote exact figures), after a year from graduation if you have not found employment (doesn't say of what type), they renew your Multi-IR at no additional charge, they have never had to do this, hence the statistic.
The OAT 1 year IR renewal guarantee (part of "Skills Net") you refer to is a recent thing, maybe not even 6 months old. The earliest we will know if anyone has had to use that backup i.e. no job after a year will be one year after the first "Skills Net" APP FO courses graduate/issued their IRs.
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it seems like Permafrost_atpl stole my thunder, still I would like to see some hard and fast numbers if I were looking at going there and I have NEVER seen any.
The main problem I have with ALL the Oxford Student's I have come across, is the simple fact that they all have a 'Right Stuff' attitude, sorry guys and gals BUT you are not Chuck Yeager, Scott Crossfield, Al Shepard, Uri Gagarin, Jim Lovell or any number of guys who have hung their ass out in the line and hauled it in, neither am I.
Arrogance will kill you very fast in a aircraft, I know you boys know this as you are far supieror to anybody who has not gone to Oxford, I just thought I'd like to say it. Enough, this is getting tedious, as i said earlier, you cannot argue with a fool.
BTW F3 I am not sure about the S2000, I know it's mental, I am not sure I could live with the digital dash, I will have to take one for a spin, thanks
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The main problem I have with ALL the Oxford Student's I have come across, is the simple fact that they all have a 'Right Stuff' attitude, sorry guys and gals BUT you are not Chuck Yeager, Scott Crossfield, Al Shepard, Uri Gagarin, Jim Lovell or any number of guys who have hung their ass out in the line and hauled it in, neither am I.
Arrogance will kill you very fast in a aircraft, I know you boys know this as you are far supieror to anybody who has not gone to Oxford, I just thought I'd like to say it. Enough, this is getting tedious, as i said earlier, you cannot argue with a fool.
BTW F3 I am not sure about the S2000, I know it's mental, I am not sure I could live with the digital dash, I will have to take one for a spin, thanks
FF