Instructor Rating Pre-Entry requirements
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Instructor Rating Pre-Entry requirements
Regarding pre-entry requirements for an FI(C) It doesn’t mention anywhere in LASORS that you have to have a CPL(A) in your hand to start an FI(C) .
It is worded with exactly the same way as the 5 hour reduction for the IR noted below:
“Holders of CPL(A) or ATPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO (including the JAR-FCL CPL(A)(R)) are eligible for a 5 hour reduction in training in accordance with Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.205."
with regard to the FI(C)
“CPL/ATPL(A) holder shall have at least 100 hours as PIC.”
Therefore am I correct in reading this as the same as the reduction for the IR - that as long as you have passed the CPL beforehand with 100 hours PIC you can start an FI(C)? It would certainly see that way but have been told as well that you need the CPL(A) in your hand?
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Edit : Yes India Mike; hence why I asked about if you have passed the CPL(A) - which would involve having taken the CPL writtens or the ATPLs.
It is worded with exactly the same way as the 5 hour reduction for the IR noted below:
“Holders of CPL(A) or ATPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO (including the JAR-FCL CPL(A)(R)) are eligible for a 5 hour reduction in training in accordance with Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.205."
with regard to the FI(C)
“CPL/ATPL(A) holder shall have at least 100 hours as PIC.”
Therefore am I correct in reading this as the same as the reduction for the IR - that as long as you have passed the CPL beforehand with 100 hours PIC you can start an FI(C)? It would certainly see that way but have been told as well that you need the CPL(A) in your hand?
Comments please...
Edit : Yes India Mike; hence why I asked about if you have passed the CPL(A) - which would involve having taken the CPL writtens or the ATPLs.
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BigGrecian,
There is no need to have a CPL at all in order to have an FI rating. As IM says, you need to have passed the written exams, but not actually hold a CPL.
If you hold a PPL with FI rating, you are able to instruct, but not get paid for instructing.
Hope that helps answer the question?
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There is no need to have a CPL at all in order to have an FI rating. As IM says, you need to have passed the written exams, but not actually hold a CPL.
If you hold a PPL with FI rating, you are able to instruct, but not get paid for instructing.
Hope that helps answer the question?
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Well, Cadaha has basically got it in a nutshell, but (no offense), it is important to Quote LASORS in full. There is some detail to the pre-entry requirements which should not be overlooked.
For example, don't forget you also need 5 hours (PIC or Dual) in a SEP aircraft during the 6 months Prior to the Pre-Entry Flight test. This is easily missed if you have just completed (for example) a Multi-Engine Instrument Rating. I would also emphasise that you Must have satisfied the theoretical knowledge requirements at CPL (or ATPL) level even though you do not require a Commercial Licence to commence the course.
Here is the text in full from LASORS 2005 regarding the pre-entry requirements:
For example, don't forget you also need 5 hours (PIC or Dual) in a SEP aircraft during the 6 months Prior to the Pre-Entry Flight test. This is easily missed if you have just completed (for example) a Multi-Engine Instrument Rating. I would also emphasise that you Must have satisfied the theoretical knowledge requirements at CPL (or ATPL) level even though you do not require a Commercial Licence to commence the course.
Here is the text in full from LASORS 2005 regarding the pre-entry requirements:
In order to receive payment for flight instruction, an
instructor must hold a valid professional pilots licence
and valid JAR-FCL Class 1 Medical Certificate.
Instructors who hold valid private pilot licences and
valid JAR-FCL Class 2 Medical Certificate are entitled
to instruct but cannot receive payment for this service*.
* This does not apply to the holder of a UK PPL(H) who
qualified prior to 1 January 2000 under national
arrangements.
Minimum Age
An applicant for a Flight Instructor Rating shall be at
least 18 years of age.
Validities
All instructor ratings issued in accordance with
JAR-FCL are valid for three years from the date of
passing the Skill Test.
H1.2 FI(A) RATING
Pre-requisite flight and theoretical
requirements
Before commencing a Flight Instructors Course (FIC)
an applicant must satisfy the course pre-entry
requirements as per JAR-FCL 1.335: -
a) Hold either a valid UK CAA or JAR-FCL aeroplane
pilots licence, which includes a valid Single Engine
Piston (Land) Class or single pilot, Single Engine
Type Rating.
b) Meet the knowledge requirements for the grant of
a JAR-FCL Commercial Pilot Licence
(Aeroplanes) as per AMC FCL 1.470(b).
c) Have completed at least 200 hours of flight time on
aeroplanes of which a:
i) PPL(A) holder shall have at least 150 hours as
PIC or
ii) CPL/ATPL(A) holder shall have at least 100
hours as PIC.
d) PPL/CPL/ATPL(A) holder shall have completed:
i) At least 30 hours on single engine piston
powered aeroplanes of which at least 5 hours
shall be in the six months preceding the
pre-entry flight test.
ii) At least 10 hours instrument flight instruction
in aeroplanes of which not more than 5 hours
may be instrument ground time in a FNPT or
a flight simulator.
iii) At least 20 hours of cross-country flight as PIC
of aeroplanes, including a cross-country flight
of at least 540km (300 nm) in the course of
which full-stop landings at two aerodromes
different from the aerodromes of departure
shall be made.
iv) Pass a specific pre-entry flight test with a FI
qualified as per JAR-FCL 1.330(f) based upon
the proficiency check as per JAR-FCL
1.240(b), within the six months preceding
the start of the course. *
*The pre-entry flight test will assess the ability of the
applicant to undertake the course.
instructor must hold a valid professional pilots licence
and valid JAR-FCL Class 1 Medical Certificate.
Instructors who hold valid private pilot licences and
valid JAR-FCL Class 2 Medical Certificate are entitled
to instruct but cannot receive payment for this service*.
* This does not apply to the holder of a UK PPL(H) who
qualified prior to 1 January 2000 under national
arrangements.
Minimum Age
An applicant for a Flight Instructor Rating shall be at
least 18 years of age.
Validities
All instructor ratings issued in accordance with
JAR-FCL are valid for three years from the date of
passing the Skill Test.
H1.2 FI(A) RATING
Pre-requisite flight and theoretical
requirements
Before commencing a Flight Instructors Course (FIC)
an applicant must satisfy the course pre-entry
requirements as per JAR-FCL 1.335: -
a) Hold either a valid UK CAA or JAR-FCL aeroplane
pilots licence, which includes a valid Single Engine
Piston (Land) Class or single pilot, Single Engine
Type Rating.
b) Meet the knowledge requirements for the grant of
a JAR-FCL Commercial Pilot Licence
(Aeroplanes) as per AMC FCL 1.470(b).
c) Have completed at least 200 hours of flight time on
aeroplanes of which a:
i) PPL(A) holder shall have at least 150 hours as
PIC or
ii) CPL/ATPL(A) holder shall have at least 100
hours as PIC.
d) PPL/CPL/ATPL(A) holder shall have completed:
i) At least 30 hours on single engine piston
powered aeroplanes of which at least 5 hours
shall be in the six months preceding the
pre-entry flight test.
ii) At least 10 hours instrument flight instruction
in aeroplanes of which not more than 5 hours
may be instrument ground time in a FNPT or
a flight simulator.
iii) At least 20 hours of cross-country flight as PIC
of aeroplanes, including a cross-country flight
of at least 540km (300 nm) in the course of
which full-stop landings at two aerodromes
different from the aerodromes of departure
shall be made.
iv) Pass a specific pre-entry flight test with a FI
qualified as per JAR-FCL 1.330(f) based upon
the proficiency check as per JAR-FCL
1.240(b), within the six months preceding
the start of the course. *
*The pre-entry flight test will assess the ability of the
applicant to undertake the course.
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So if you apply for CPL/IR then FI Next Year as follows I believe or do you get a discount for applying for CPL/IR with FI because they way I inerpret is that is
CPL/IR £194 (in 05)
FI addition £105 (in 06)
So could save £16 - got to save every penny whilst in flight training!
Anyone know whether a discount is offered for CPL/IR/FI combined application?
CPL/IR £194 (in 05)
FI addition £105 (in 06)
So could save £16 - got to save every penny whilst in flight training!
Anyone know whether a discount is offered for CPL/IR/FI combined application?
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HI,
Is the FI remunerated ? or the FI is benevole ?
I ask you this because in France 90 per cent of FI are benevole! it's a shame! because the students pay 10000 euros (8000 £) for become benevole and they can't refund their pret banking! I am fed up of this country where the DGAC destroys the civil aviation....
You can't imagine...
Is the FI remunerated ? or the FI is benevole ?
I ask you this because in France 90 per cent of FI are benevole! it's a shame! because the students pay 10000 euros (8000 £) for become benevole and they can't refund their pret banking! I am fed up of this country where the DGAC destroys the civil aviation....
You can't imagine...
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The 5K refers to the likely 5 thousand pounds sterling or 7.5 thousand euro you will pay for your instructor rating tuition.
My comment was referring to the pre-requisite flight check per the JAR requirements to ascertain suitability for training as a flight instructor.
The question arises as to the value to anyone other than the school hiring the plane for the check, or the person being paid to do the check, of this check. How many people are considered unsuitable to become instructors as a result of this check? If the school is also doing the checking, are they truly likely to say no when the possibility of a 5000 stg piece of training business is on offer to them? That would be a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas.
My comment was referring to the pre-requisite flight check per the JAR requirements to ascertain suitability for training as a flight instructor.
The question arises as to the value to anyone other than the school hiring the plane for the check, or the person being paid to do the check, of this check. How many people are considered unsuitable to become instructors as a result of this check? If the school is also doing the checking, are they truly likely to say no when the possibility of a 5000 stg piece of training business is on offer to them? That would be a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas.
