ATPL theory- how long does it take?
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Nish,
Yeah, I know it won't be long before I get clobbered with subject matter that requires reading, reading, and reading again before it half starts to make sense, and as I say, early days at the moment with only the first few frames done.
I've heard Climatology (amongst others) can be a bit of a sod, so I expect to be increasing my hours as time goes on. Worth it in the end though eh ?!
all the best, GB.
Yeah, I know it won't be long before I get clobbered with subject matter that requires reading, reading, and reading again before it half starts to make sense, and as I say, early days at the moment with only the first few frames done.
I've heard Climatology (amongst others) can be a bit of a sod, so I expect to be increasing my hours as time goes on. Worth it in the end though eh ?!
all the best, GB.
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Gronville Bromhead
The thing I've found with the course is that it doesn't, as yet seem to get more difficult as you go on, the standard is pretty much level (although i'm not much further down the road than either of you) however you will have your favourite subjects which will come to you easier than others (Met i'm finding quite easy, but the gyroscope chapters took me 4 days of head scratching.
As for remembering what we did in the early frames, I have spent time going over the previous frames and have found that I learn't more than I thought. This however takes time. I now believe that if I'm getting through the frames I'll revise them all in the two weeks before I go to Bristol. If you have understood the material first time around and got good marks it's only a matter of remembering it for the exams and not the difficult part of understanding the subjects.
Regards
Gronville Bromhead
The thing I've found with the course is that it doesn't, as yet seem to get more difficult as you go on, the standard is pretty much level (although i'm not much further down the road than either of you) however you will have your favourite subjects which will come to you easier than others (Met i'm finding quite easy, but the gyroscope chapters took me 4 days of head scratching.
As for remembering what we did in the early frames, I have spent time going over the previous frames and have found that I learn't more than I thought. This however takes time. I now believe that if I'm getting through the frames I'll revise them all in the two weeks before I go to Bristol. If you have understood the material first time around and got good marks it's only a matter of remembering it for the exams and not the difficult part of understanding the subjects.
Regards
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8 hours a day in the classroom, 3 hours a night (apart from fridays!) and 5 hours sat and sun and i am approaching the exam dates too fast! 
beware there is tonnes and tonnes to learn and you will find that you need to use as much time as you can to learn it and do practice questions.
Saying that it all depends on how you are doing it, ie one subject at a time or over a long time period.
Good Luck though
Rocky
beware there is tonnes and tonnes to learn and you will find that you need to use as much time as you can to learn it and do practice questions.
Saying that it all depends on how you are doing it, ie one subject at a time or over a long time period.
Good Luck though
Rocky
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Basically, don't get too stressed if something seems to make absolutely no sense to begin with, you'll be surprised later on when it suddenly makes sense like a bolt out of the blue. Some of this stuff takes time to sink in properly, and I really believe that the earlier stuff makes more sense once you've had more exposure to the later stuff; plus you'll be more used to learning things by then.
You don't need to be particularly academic, just determined and disciplined - but don't think that a full time course as opposed to DL will compensate for a lack of determination - because it won't, you'll need to just keep whacking away until it hurts, pardon the expression but that's what it's like.
N
You don't need to be particularly academic, just determined and disciplined - but don't think that a full time course as opposed to DL will compensate for a lack of determination - because it won't, you'll need to just keep whacking away until it hurts, pardon the expression but that's what it's like.
N
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How long
hi guys,
Just a question to see what you all think about the aviation industry at the moment, how long do you see it being before the industry picks up, airlines start recruiting, sponsorships opening, airline orders for aircraft start to happen?
I guess its just up to the general public to get into aircraft again and stop shi**ng themselves(my answer)
See ya later
Just a question to see what you all think about the aviation industry at the moment, how long do you see it being before the industry picks up, airlines start recruiting, sponsorships opening, airline orders for aircraft start to happen?
I guess its just up to the general public to get into aircraft again and stop shi**ng themselves(my answer)
See ya later
PPRuNe Handmaiden
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From: Duit On Mon Dei
This is my opinion only. It is based on previous downturns and what the guys at BALPA were saying.
Low cost airlines are still recruiting. However, only type rated need apply. (+ have relevant experience)
Spring 2002. Some recruiting for some companies. Will start to absorb those guys not already snapped up by the low costers. Prob min 1500 hours and airline/turbine experience.
Late 2002. May see low houred guys get recruited.
2003. Low houred guys selected.
May think about cadetships/sponsorships from then on.
It really depends on how the travelling public feel about aviation and can they afford that holiday at the moment.
Keep your ear to the ground. Read PPRuNe, read Flight International. Take any flying/aviation job you can get. (Don't prostitute yourself though)
Aviation is cyclical. This sort of thing happens every 10 years or so.
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Low cost airlines are still recruiting. However, only type rated need apply. (+ have relevant experience)
Spring 2002. Some recruiting for some companies. Will start to absorb those guys not already snapped up by the low costers. Prob min 1500 hours and airline/turbine experience.
Late 2002. May see low houred guys get recruited.
2003. Low houred guys selected.
May think about cadetships/sponsorships from then on.
It really depends on how the travelling public feel about aviation and can they afford that holiday at the moment.
Keep your ear to the ground. Read PPRuNe, read Flight International. Take any flying/aviation job you can get. (Don't prostitute yourself though)
Aviation is cyclical. This sort of thing happens every 10 years or so.
[ 03 December 2001: Message edited by: redsnail ]
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Well, I've put off my training until Summer 2002, meaning I would finish around September 2003. My opinion is that by then things for us low hour peeps should be better. 
. Personally, I'm not going to sit around and wait for sponsorships - who knows when they're going to start up again and whether you'll be successful.
JT8
. Personally, I'm not going to sit around and wait for sponsorships - who knows when they're going to start up again and whether you'll be successful.JT8
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Module 1, Bristol Groundschool - how long did it take you?
I'm looking to study for 8 weeks, do the fortnight brush-up course, then sit the exams.
Can anyone who's already done Mod. 1 tell me how long it took them and if they think this is realisic?
Can anyone who's already done Mod. 1 tell me how long it took them and if they think this is realisic?
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If you are studying full time and are a reasonable learner then this is a realistic timetable, when I did module 1 (half with PPSC until it went bust and brush up with Bristol) it took me about 4-6 weeks.
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Thanks Greaser.
Could you define 'Full Time' for me? Do you mean say, 8 hours a day 5 days a week, or more like 10 hours a day 6.75 days a week?
Sorry for being so pendatic but I'm on the verge of booking exams, and just want to check what's feasible.
Could you define 'Full Time' for me? Do you mean say, 8 hours a day 5 days a week, or more like 10 hours a day 6.75 days a week?
Sorry for being so pendatic but I'm on the verge of booking exams, and just want to check what's feasible.
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Kilkenny, I would say I worked 7 days a week about 6 hours a day on average. I would say that I think I probably have above average concentration levels and a great deal of motivation, but it can be done in this length of time.
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Greaser's advice is sound; however, he did have considerable experience prior to starting the JAR nonsense. Check his profile and you'll see that he was already a CFII blah blah blah.
Greaser: how's the IR coming along?
Greaser: how's the IR coming along?
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As a person slightly challenged in terms of concentration and brain power I have found that with ongoing family commitments you can do one section of the module a week. The full module is split into 14 parts, therefore around 14 weeks.
If you get stuck on a subject this can slow you down - on other areas you find you catch up. I try and do around 4 hours a day 5 days a week with some extra time at weekends and evenings.
Whilst this is not full time, the material can be taxing on your concentration levels and the volume of information to plow through is high - a fair chunk of time is spent writing up study notes for ongoing revision/pre-exam review.
So after a long winded reply my answer would be that 6-8 weeks is tight even with total full time commitment, I would suggest that you allow nearer the 8 weeks, possibly a couple more as 'reserves'.
Best of luck.
If you get stuck on a subject this can slow you down - on other areas you find you catch up. I try and do around 4 hours a day 5 days a week with some extra time at weekends and evenings.
Whilst this is not full time, the material can be taxing on your concentration levels and the volume of information to plow through is high - a fair chunk of time is spent writing up study notes for ongoing revision/pre-exam review.
So after a long winded reply my answer would be that 6-8 weeks is tight even with total full time commitment, I would suggest that you allow nearer the 8 weeks, possibly a couple more as 'reserves'.
Best of luck.
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Thanks for your inputs guys.
I'm part way through Frame 3 - with evenly spaced breaks through the day I find 8 hours a day isn't out of the question.
How are/did you finding the CD-ROM? - I find it does tend to reduce the amount of rewriting needed, although it would be much better if it was cut & paste -able
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I'm part way through Frame 3 - with evenly spaced breaks through the day I find 8 hours a day isn't out of the question.
How are/did you finding the CD-ROM? - I find it does tend to reduce the amount of rewriting needed, although it would be much better if it was cut & paste -able
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