expiry time on a frozen ATPL
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expiry time on a frozen ATPL
Wondered if anyone knows if there's a time limit between getting qualified out of training with frozen ATPL ( CPL/IR and ATPL exams) and getting unfrozen?
The CPL is renewable every 5 years I think and of course the IR every year but when do the exams need to be renewed?
All this is assuming you get qualified and then don't get a job (and the chance to unfreeze) in ages...
Would be most obliged if anyone could shed some light..
WO
The CPL is renewable every 5 years I think and of course the IR every year but when do the exams need to be renewed?
All this is assuming you get qualified and then don't get a job (and the chance to unfreeze) in ages...
Would be most obliged if anyone could shed some light..
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Hello,
I think that the written ATPL is valid 7 years following your last IR renewal. So you should not worry about it because as long as your IR is current your fATPL is current, uless you don't renew your IR for 7 years! At least this is what is wrtitten on my written ATPL certificate, take a look at yours.
Cheers
I think that the written ATPL is valid 7 years following your last IR renewal. So you should not worry about it because as long as your IR is current your fATPL is current, uless you don't renew your IR for 7 years! At least this is what is wrtitten on my written ATPL certificate, take a look at yours.
Cheers
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Thanks for the replies..
To get unfrozen needs 1500hrs TT and 500hrs multi crew. This latter part requires the airline seat!!
khaosanroad, yes I heard something along those lines too but didn't know about the time frame. Is your licence JAR or French CAA?
The reason I ask.. I didn't receive a frozen ATPL 'certificate', I have the blue licence holder containing details of CPL and IR and MCC and all that jazz.
I think it's the same for all the other Brits too
To get unfrozen needs 1500hrs TT and 500hrs multi crew. This latter part requires the airline seat!!
khaosanroad, yes I heard something along those lines too but didn't know about the time frame. Is your licence JAR or French CAA?
The reason I ask.. I didn't receive a frozen ATPL 'certificate', I have the blue licence holder containing details of CPL and IR and MCC and all that jazz.
I think it's the same for all the other Brits too
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khaosanroad, thanks for the posts - that's all good information. I'll have a look at the FCL1 (and LASORs too) but it makes sense what you say.
Maybe see you over Paris sometime
Thanks again WO from BAe
Maybe see you over Paris sometime
Thanks again WO from BAe
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makes me wonder what some of you guys have been taught 
first, there is no such licence as a frozen ATPL. it's a term coined to save a wannabe writing that they had a CPL, ME(IR) and MCC certificate. the licence you get initially is a CPL. this as stated above needs to be renewed every 5 years. no skills test just a fee to the CAA who issue you another CPL. and yes, the licence is still blue.
on that said licence is a rating section. this will include you SEP, MEP and IR rating. these are what must be renewed or revalidated to exercise the privilidges contained.
the ATPL exams, once passed, suffice as the theory requirements for both the CPL and IR issue. it is true (as stated above) that you have three years from passing the last exam to gaining an IR. after three years, you will need to sit the Instrument Rating part of the exams again. Also, if your IR has lapsed by more than seven years then you will need to undertake the IR theory exams again before you can hold an IR.
as such, there is no renewal of the atpl exams. you need just need to keep your IR going to keep the ATPL credits
redout: what your instructor told you is complete toilet.
first, there is no such licence as a frozen ATPL. it's a term coined to save a wannabe writing that they had a CPL, ME(IR) and MCC certificate. the licence you get initially is a CPL. this as stated above needs to be renewed every 5 years. no skills test just a fee to the CAA who issue you another CPL. and yes, the licence is still blue.
on that said licence is a rating section. this will include you SEP, MEP and IR rating. these are what must be renewed or revalidated to exercise the privilidges contained.
the ATPL exams, once passed, suffice as the theory requirements for both the CPL and IR issue. it is true (as stated above) that you have three years from passing the last exam to gaining an IR. after three years, you will need to sit the Instrument Rating part of the exams again. Also, if your IR has lapsed by more than seven years then you will need to undertake the IR theory exams again before you can hold an IR.
as such, there is no renewal of the atpl exams. you need just need to keep your IR going to keep the ATPL credits
redout: what your instructor told you is complete toilet.
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Not quite, If you dont get a CPL+IR within 3 years of your last ATPL exam or you let your IR expire by 7 years. You would have to sit the whole ATPL exams again otherwise you won't have ATPL theory credits so wont be able to get a green licence. Hence the term "frozen ATPL".
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Further, if you hold another ICAO pilots licence and keep the IR current on that one, you do not need to renew the JAA IR to satisfy the 7 yr requirement. The ICAO IR will satisfy it.
MCC *is not* part of what is termed a Frozen ATPL
MCC *is not* part of what is termed a Frozen ATPL
