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"if you are just sorry individuals wasting time because you don't have the character to get an aviation job"
Nice One, Mike. I guess you've just insulted some 1000+ fATPLs who for one reason or another are doing other things!
Then again, given your current stated employment, why should this latent attitude be a surprise. It's all about "the right stuff", and "character building" bashing, isn't it?
Carry this through to the world of CIVILIAN training, and you get a not too nice result. And maybe correctly so.
Very sad
Nice One, Mike. I guess you've just insulted some 1000+ fATPLs who for one reason or another are doing other things!
Then again, given your current stated employment, why should this latent attitude be a surprise. It's all about "the right stuff", and "character building" bashing, isn't it?
Carry this through to the world of CIVILIAN training, and you get a not too nice result. And maybe correctly so.
Very sad
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I have called in to PTC waterford, emailed and left phone messages but never once got a response. I have heard mixed reports about training in Waterford and would appreciate if anyone had any first hand knowledge as I cant seem to get it from them!
I have called in to PTC waterford, emailed and left phone messages but never once got a response. I have heard mixed reports about training in Waterford and would appreciate if anyone had any first hand knowledge as I cant seem to get it from them!
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15 years ago I completed my private and commercial in a 6 month period at the MFC. Great place to get it done quick. That's what it's about isn't...do it quick so you can build time.
Just watch their billing math. They may want you to do some extra hours (how else are they going to get your money). Study and do it in the required amount of time and you will save your money.
I am flying the A320 now.
Just watch their billing math. They may want you to do some extra hours (how else are they going to get your money). Study and do it in the required amount of time and you will save your money.
I am flying the A320 now.
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Student: Isn’t it cold there. Won’t training be a problem?
Moncton: Naw, no problem. The climate here is quite mild. We have X VFR days a year. You can fly all the way down to –30C. We’re set up for it!
Student: Hmm. Ok, they must know what they are talking about.
Actuality: Temperatures in winter generally –20 and below. Little flying below –20. Almost none below –25 (quite common).
Student: Can we fly at the week-ends, when the weather clears
Moncton: Naw, instructors only work weekdays.
Student: What the hell is going on?
Student: Isn’t there a problem with that Airspeed indicator. It’s under-reading by 15 knots in straight and level at ops manual rpm (Student doing timed cross-country)
Moncton: The only way you can know that the ASI is wrong is by having it calibrated. Its been certified.
Student: Incredible. I must need to do my Class 1 medical eye-test again.
Student: Is this plane rigged properly? It seems to be in permanent yaw.
Moncton: You’re just not used to flying these – it takes practice
Student: I think over 50 hours already in this training type would be enough practice. What arrogance.
Student: What’s the lesson today?
Moncton: Don’t you know what your course is?
Student: They have not got a clue what the basic course structure consists of. I really like paying to teach myself.
Student: Which way do I turn on partial panel as the turn you’ve asked for works out to be greater than 180 degrees?
Moncton: You work it out.
Student: Yep, I really like paying to teach myself.
Student: I’m not happy with this
Moncton: There can’t be a problem – we’re all great
Student: I’m dealing with Ostriches – with their heads in the sand. These people are trying it on.
Moncton: Naw, no problem. The climate here is quite mild. We have X VFR days a year. You can fly all the way down to –30C. We’re set up for it!
Student: Hmm. Ok, they must know what they are talking about.
Actuality: Temperatures in winter generally –20 and below. Little flying below –20. Almost none below –25 (quite common).
Student: Can we fly at the week-ends, when the weather clears
Moncton: Naw, instructors only work weekdays.
Student: What the hell is going on?
Student: Isn’t there a problem with that Airspeed indicator. It’s under-reading by 15 knots in straight and level at ops manual rpm (Student doing timed cross-country)
Moncton: The only way you can know that the ASI is wrong is by having it calibrated. Its been certified.
Student: Incredible. I must need to do my Class 1 medical eye-test again.
Student: Is this plane rigged properly? It seems to be in permanent yaw.
Moncton: You’re just not used to flying these – it takes practice
Student: I think over 50 hours already in this training type would be enough practice. What arrogance.
Student: What’s the lesson today?
Moncton: Don’t you know what your course is?
Student: They have not got a clue what the basic course structure consists of. I really like paying to teach myself.
Student: Which way do I turn on partial panel as the turn you’ve asked for works out to be greater than 180 degrees?
Moncton: You work it out.
Student: Yep, I really like paying to teach myself.
Student: I’m not happy with this
Moncton: There can’t be a problem – we’re all great
Student: I’m dealing with Ostriches – with their heads in the sand. These people are trying it on.
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Pointedinfinity, when were you at Moncton and which course were you doing?
Which person at Moncton are you quoting in your last post? Who at MFC/PTC made those statements?
Can you elaborate and provide (f)actual details, or are you just making this stuff up for one or another reason?
Are you just another saddo who under the cover of anonymity talks crap on PPRuNe?
KK
Which person at Moncton are you quoting in your last post? Who at MFC/PTC made those statements?
Can you elaborate and provide (f)actual details, or are you just making this stuff up for one or another reason?
Are you just another saddo who under the cover of anonymity talks crap on PPRuNe?
KK
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"Student: Can we fly at the week-ends, when the weather clears
Moncton: Naw, instructors only work weekdays."
I remember walking into the JAA office at 8am on a Saturday morning and seeing all the instructors there, the only time I had no weekend flying was if I asked for it off to go out, or the weather was bad.
"Student: Isn’t there a problem with that Airspeed indicator. It’s under-reading by 15 knots in straight and level at ops manual rpm (Student doing timed cross-country)"
Your some man if you can tell the speed better than your ASI, ops manuals tend to be a bit off for older a/c, try increasing your RPM next time, or amend your time.
"Student: Which way do I turn on partial panel as the turn you’ve asked for works out to be greater than 180 degrees?"
How was a turn more than 180 degrees? If heading North and asked to turn right onto west, turn right. If asked to turn to west, turn left, I'd have thought?
"Student: I’m not happy with this"
I think we got that point by now.
I finished my CPL there last month and was happy with the school, I agree with 'pneumatic boot', that the only negative was weather, but if anyone was going during the summer I'd definatly recommend the place, and even at this time of year I'd just advise to allow a little extra time for wx delays.
My two cents.
"Student: Can we fly at the week-ends, when the weather clears
Moncton: Naw, instructors only work weekdays."
I remember walking into the JAA office at 8am on a Saturday morning and seeing all the instructors there, the only time I had no weekend flying was if I asked for it off to go out, or the weather was bad.
"Student: Isn’t there a problem with that Airspeed indicator. It’s under-reading by 15 knots in straight and level at ops manual rpm (Student doing timed cross-country)"
Your some man if you can tell the speed better than your ASI, ops manuals tend to be a bit off for older a/c, try increasing your RPM next time, or amend your time.
"Student: Which way do I turn on partial panel as the turn you’ve asked for works out to be greater than 180 degrees?"
How was a turn more than 180 degrees? If heading North and asked to turn right onto west, turn right. If asked to turn to west, turn left, I'd have thought?
"Student: I’m not happy with this"
I think we got that point by now.
I finished my CPL there last month and was happy with the school, I agree with 'pneumatic boot', that the only negative was weather, but if anyone was going during the summer I'd definatly recommend the place, and even at this time of year I'd just advise to allow a little extra time for wx delays.
My two cents.
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I have been watching this thread for awhile now and there has been so much crap on here that I have wondered if someone was just having a go but some of the recent postings really were over the top.
First off, I do not work for MFC....I did 30 years ago however when I was an instructor there.
It really isn't -25 or lower that often as pointedinfinity would have you believe. And the few times that it is that temperature or lower I still see the MFC aircraft operating when we fly through CYQM.
Instructors definately, WITHOUT QUESTION, work seven days per week. I have witnessed it as recently as a week ago when I was in the building checking things out for one of my sons on a Saturday evening. We also have hired two former instructors from MFC in that last couple of years and they fell over laughing when they read that comment.
As for the rest of your remarks...........if you didn't make the grade it really is quite a character flaw on your part to blame your shortfalls on others.
First off, I do not work for MFC....I did 30 years ago however when I was an instructor there.
It really isn't -25 or lower that often as pointedinfinity would have you believe. And the few times that it is that temperature or lower I still see the MFC aircraft operating when we fly through CYQM.
Instructors definately, WITHOUT QUESTION, work seven days per week. I have witnessed it as recently as a week ago when I was in the building checking things out for one of my sons on a Saturday evening. We also have hired two former instructors from MFC in that last couple of years and they fell over laughing when they read that comment.
As for the rest of your remarks...........if you didn't make the grade it really is quite a character flaw on your part to blame your shortfalls on others.
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As I have already broken my own promise to keep away from this subject, I'm going to reply.
1-800 – Congrats. I have no desire to put you down, but you may wish to look again at your ATPL ASI theory. You may wish to consider the impact of a blocked static tube on the reading, and the potential dangers of an under-reading or otherwise untrustworthy ASI on more critical flight phases, such as take-off or approach. You may also wish to review the light aircraft accident statistics on same. I guess that's one of the things those long runways are for. Maybe your view on the subject may change if you were told by the instructor present to ignore the ASI, and you then flew a 30 minute leg to destination within 40secs of target time on visual attitude only. But then you know all this, don't you?
Krazy - I could not make this stuff up if I wanted too, incredible as it may seem.
604 – You are the second poster harping back to the good old days. Great. Then in the absence of any other items of substance, you resort to the old “character assassination” ploy. All else failing, that should work! You might care to look up something called “the Pygmalion Principle”, or in other words, you generally get what you go looking for. Look for “character flaws” and you'll find them, look for superior performance in a positive manner, you'll likely get that too. Me, I prefer to look at the positive, until I have unfortunately, no other choice. To do otherwise takes you down some nasty roads – but that's exactly what one of Monctons little training manual anecdotes (which you probably read some time ago) promotes. Nice.
If being 100% unwilling to be happy about being sold a pup is a flaw, then I am quite happy to be considered a flawed character. When I undertake to do something for someone, I do it, and make sure that I have the time, expertise and capabilities to deliver on the promises I make. Just for the record my progress is within norms (then you probably don't want to believe that either).
Have fun.
1-800 – Congrats. I have no desire to put you down, but you may wish to look again at your ATPL ASI theory. You may wish to consider the impact of a blocked static tube on the reading, and the potential dangers of an under-reading or otherwise untrustworthy ASI on more critical flight phases, such as take-off or approach. You may also wish to review the light aircraft accident statistics on same. I guess that's one of the things those long runways are for. Maybe your view on the subject may change if you were told by the instructor present to ignore the ASI, and you then flew a 30 minute leg to destination within 40secs of target time on visual attitude only. But then you know all this, don't you?
Krazy - I could not make this stuff up if I wanted too, incredible as it may seem.
604 – You are the second poster harping back to the good old days. Great. Then in the absence of any other items of substance, you resort to the old “character assassination” ploy. All else failing, that should work! You might care to look up something called “the Pygmalion Principle”, or in other words, you generally get what you go looking for. Look for “character flaws” and you'll find them, look for superior performance in a positive manner, you'll likely get that too. Me, I prefer to look at the positive, until I have unfortunately, no other choice. To do otherwise takes you down some nasty roads – but that's exactly what one of Monctons little training manual anecdotes (which you probably read some time ago) promotes. Nice.
If being 100% unwilling to be happy about being sold a pup is a flaw, then I am quite happy to be considered a flawed character. When I undertake to do something for someone, I do it, and make sure that I have the time, expertise and capabilities to deliver on the promises I make. Just for the record my progress is within norms (then you probably don't want to believe that either).
Have fun.
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My my, touched a nerve did I? Please explain how I was harping back to the good old days? My only reference to history was my confession of working there 3 decades ago. The rest of my posting was clearly referring to very recent events. Should you wish to continue to twist and distort that is entirely your prerogative but most people tend to see through that. And yes you are correct; people tend to see what they are looking for.... your response spoke volumes.
My my, touched a nerve did I? Please explain how I was harping back to the good old days? My only reference to history was my confession of working there 3 decades ago. The rest of my posting was clearly referring to very recent events. Should you wish to continue to twist and distort that is entirely your prerogative but most people tend to see through that. And yes you are correct; people tend to see what they are looking for.... your response spoke volumes.
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Does anyone has any experience / comments of Moncton flight college in Canada? eg. Does it have a good reputation, especially in europe?
I know this school is operated by Cabair, and Cabair has a really good reputation in UK, So what is the difference between Moncton, Cabair or maybe OAT? I am not so sure about these except Moncton offers a cheaper price in Canada with JAA european licences.
After completing my PPL, I was thinking of going to one of these schools to do the JAA fATPL and modular program.
any advices would be greatly appreciated.
cheers,
I know this school is operated by Cabair, and Cabair has a really good reputation in UK, So what is the difference between Moncton, Cabair or maybe OAT? I am not so sure about these except Moncton offers a cheaper price in Canada with JAA european licences.
After completing my PPL, I was thinking of going to one of these schools to do the JAA fATPL and modular program.
any advices would be greatly appreciated.
cheers,
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Zivd,
MFC is one of the leading Canadian ab-initio schools, and (to my knowledge) the only one approved to conduct JAA courses in Canada.
USA and Canadian prices are cheaper mainly because of lower fuel costs. However, there are huge differences in training quality between the different US/Canada-based JAA FTOs, and it pays to research carefully.
Never pay upfront.
KK
MFC is one of the leading Canadian ab-initio schools, and (to my knowledge) the only one approved to conduct JAA courses in Canada.
USA and Canadian prices are cheaper mainly because of lower fuel costs. However, there are huge differences in training quality between the different US/Canada-based JAA FTOs, and it pays to research carefully.
Never pay upfront.
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KK, thank you for your replied. However, what do you mean by the differences in training quality between schools in States and Canada-based JAA FTOs??? I have never been to the States or Canada for any flight researches, perhaps I might visit these two places if I have chance, but it will cost me a lot of money to travel around since I am living in UK at the moment. Therefore, I would like to know more schools in the States / Canada (especially Monction) from this forum.
UK is my first priority, however, are these schools in the States / Canada comparable to any european ones?
I actually went to OAT and Stapleford last week. What I've found only are differences between the school history, buildings, facilities, airport, aircrafts fleet, flight sim, accommodation etc... I couldn't tell the differences based on the training quality. Could you give me some advice here? thank you so much.
cheers,
zivd
UK is my first priority, however, are these schools in the States / Canada comparable to any european ones?
I actually went to OAT and Stapleford last week. What I've found only are differences between the school history, buildings, facilities, airport, aircrafts fleet, flight sim, accommodation etc... I couldn't tell the differences based on the training quality. Could you give me some advice here? thank you so much.
cheers,
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Zivd, some of the North American schools are comparable in terms of training quality to the best UK FTOs, whereas some others take the sort of shortcuts which leave students disadvantaged and ocassionally out of pocket. Hence I said, don't pay for the course in advance. However, these things are not related to location - it depends on the school you're dealing with.
OAT is an excellent school in the UK and their facilities and instruction are top-notch. The same cannot be said for certain overseas FTOs - costs have to be cut in order to offer rock-bottom prices.
The question is really whether you're after 'cheapest, fastest' licence or quality (slightly more expensive) training. In the world of FTOs, as everywhere else, there is a general correlation between course price and the level of facilities/instruction. However, since some people just want fast and cheap, there are those pilot factories which will happily comply.
I'm not in a position to promote any one school on pprune. Also, many posts on this forum are - by their nature - biased and not representative, since most people never see more than a few FTOs but then think they're experts on the subject. Then you'll read stuff like "xxx is the best school"/"my instructor soendso was without equal"/"the worst school ever"... you catch my drift.
You should ask *specific* questions about the FTO you're interested in on pprune and people will respond. For instance, how did the management/instructors treat you at xxx?
Talk to the FTOs as well and ask very specific questions (so you won't just hear the marketing blurb). But don't be sweet-talked by a marketeer who will have his, not your, interests at heart. You'll get the idea.
Yeah,
KK.
OAT is an excellent school in the UK and their facilities and instruction are top-notch. The same cannot be said for certain overseas FTOs - costs have to be cut in order to offer rock-bottom prices.
The question is really whether you're after 'cheapest, fastest' licence or quality (slightly more expensive) training. In the world of FTOs, as everywhere else, there is a general correlation between course price and the level of facilities/instruction. However, since some people just want fast and cheap, there are those pilot factories which will happily comply.
I'm not in a position to promote any one school on pprune. Also, many posts on this forum are - by their nature - biased and not representative, since most people never see more than a few FTOs but then think they're experts on the subject. Then you'll read stuff like "xxx is the best school"/"my instructor soendso was without equal"/"the worst school ever"... you catch my drift.
You should ask *specific* questions about the FTO you're interested in on pprune and people will respond. For instance, how did the management/instructors treat you at xxx?
Talk to the FTOs as well and ask very specific questions (so you won't just hear the marketing blurb). But don't be sweet-talked by a marketeer who will have his, not your, interests at heart. You'll get the idea.
Yeah,
KK.
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BA123..
I left Moncton last Summer after my CPL flight test and was very happy with how everything went out there. On top of that, I had a really good time.
PM me if you want details.
Cheers,
APO
I left Moncton last Summer after my CPL flight test and was very happy with how everything went out there. On top of that, I had a really good time.
PM me if you want details.
Cheers,
APO