Naples Air Centre - The Truth
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Sorry, Adrain - deleted your duplicate post - as i would with any other duplicate.
Whilst parts of ity had relevance to the thread - the majority didn't.
Don't take it as an attack - I would have done the same with any duplicate.
Whilst parts of ity had relevance to the thread - the majority didn't.
Don't take it as an attack - I would have done the same with any duplicate.
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Keygrip,
“Sorry, Adrain - deleted your duplicate post - as i would with any other duplicate”.
Not true, PPRuNe is riddled with duplicate posts.
”Whilst parts of it had relevance to the thread - the majority didn't”.
The point of the post was in the most part relevant, especially the fact that the same individuals who give their unmitigated support for Naples are the same one who attempt to discredit Ormond Beach Aviation.
”Don't take it as an attack - I would have done the same with any duplicate”.
I don’t, it is just another demonstration of the lack of “balanced reporting” that PPRuNe operates as a matter of policy.
For those of you interested in some “facts” rather than “fantasy” go to;
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...d&pagenumber=8
and read the very relevant post that has been deleted form this thread by the “moderator”.
Regards,
Adrian Thompson
President
Ormond Beach Aviation, Inc.
P.S. Keygrip, did you get a call from Danny, Nikki or Richard and follow your orders?
<<edit: OK - let me rephrase. The duplicate was deleted in the same way that any duplicate ON THE FORUMS THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO would be deleted. The only other 'line' I can take with dupliactes is to 'lock' a thread - but that was not an option in this case as it would lock the entire thread.
I was also under the impression that you knew who I am - in which case your "P.S." is highly insulting, and puts you back into the same litter box as the people that you elude to in your message. I always held you in higher regard than that (well, not always - you've had your moments - but generally).
My (admittedly subjective) view is that a lot of the points made in your cut/paste message are not relevant to this thread. For those that are (no school can please 100% etc, same voices for and against etc) - feel free to write them in that context and they won't get touched (at least - by me). >>
“Sorry, Adrain - deleted your duplicate post - as i would with any other duplicate”.
Not true, PPRuNe is riddled with duplicate posts.
”Whilst parts of it had relevance to the thread - the majority didn't”.
The point of the post was in the most part relevant, especially the fact that the same individuals who give their unmitigated support for Naples are the same one who attempt to discredit Ormond Beach Aviation.
”Don't take it as an attack - I would have done the same with any duplicate”.
I don’t, it is just another demonstration of the lack of “balanced reporting” that PPRuNe operates as a matter of policy.
For those of you interested in some “facts” rather than “fantasy” go to;
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...d&pagenumber=8
and read the very relevant post that has been deleted form this thread by the “moderator”.
Regards,
Adrian Thompson
President
Ormond Beach Aviation, Inc.
P.S. Keygrip, did you get a call from Danny, Nikki or Richard and follow your orders?
<<edit: OK - let me rephrase. The duplicate was deleted in the same way that any duplicate ON THE FORUMS THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO would be deleted. The only other 'line' I can take with dupliactes is to 'lock' a thread - but that was not an option in this case as it would lock the entire thread.
I was also under the impression that you knew who I am - in which case your "P.S." is highly insulting, and puts you back into the same litter box as the people that you elude to in your message. I always held you in higher regard than that (well, not always - you've had your moments - but generally).
My (admittedly subjective) view is that a lot of the points made in your cut/paste message are not relevant to this thread. For those that are (no school can please 100% etc, same voices for and against etc) - feel free to write them in that context and they won't get touched (at least - by me). >>
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OBA and negative comments ..
First, I've never been to FL to get my PPL so have no actual experience with either OBA nor Naples.
That said, as an outside observer I can only say that on PPPrune there seems to be a big bias against OBA. At first I took it for granted that OBA were 'sub-standard' and Naples was the way to go if you opted for a 3 week USA JAA PPL course.
Friends went to FL do do their PPL, some were unhappy with Naples, too crowded and no change to get your PPL in 3 weeks as advertised, others went to OFT, they were quite happy with the way OFT was running things.
To my surprise I recently saw some people who claimed to be quite happy with the services they received at OBA, there are also theads on UKGA.com and Flyer which aren't all that negative over OBA.
To conclude it seems that the position for best and worst PPL school in FL are open again ....
That said, as an outside observer I can only say that on PPPrune there seems to be a big bias against OBA. At first I took it for granted that OBA were 'sub-standard' and Naples was the way to go if you opted for a 3 week USA JAA PPL course.
Friends went to FL do do their PPL, some were unhappy with Naples, too crowded and no change to get your PPL in 3 weeks as advertised, others went to OFT, they were quite happy with the way OFT was running things.
To my surprise I recently saw some people who claimed to be quite happy with the services they received at OBA, there are also theads on UKGA.com and Flyer which aren't all that negative over OBA.
To conclude it seems that the position for best and worst PPL school in FL are open again ....
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UKGA.com and Flyer which aren't all that negative over OBA.
I have had good personal experiences of Naples, but I can also see where some (although not all) of the complaints might be coming from. This said, you need to stop and think a bit about the client base, and I apologise in advance if this appears to insult the "average" contributor to this particular part of Pprune.
Without doubt, the clientele that Naples sees, is broadly similar to those seen by OBA. Many are scraping the bottom of the wallet to afford their training/accommodation/travel. Many are not the cream of the academic crop. Some are beset by language difficulties. Some think that they can fit a holiday in at the same time as their PPL. Some think that lesson start times are approximate. Some think that aircraft should never break unexpectedly. Most are very young and exceptionally inexperienced in all matters aviation. Some are betting their overdraft on the uncertainties of a career in aviation.
The list goes on. It is not a formula that guarantees 100% happy punters for any school.
The approach adopted on the FLYER boards, is, I suspect similar to the one adopted here. If somebody claims personal, direct knowledge of a school, we allow them to post their views. If they are reporting hearsay, then we bin them. Both Naples and OBA have at times attracted posters attempting to contribute messages of attack and/or support under multiple usernames, from the same IP addresses. We draw our own conclusions from that. Where a post contains obviously actionable claims, we bin those too.
I expect the Pprune experience and response is similar.
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2Donkeys,
when you feel you have to apologise in advance for writing a post, I think the best bet is, don´t write it!
Having been to Naples myself, I don´t buy your explanation one bit. I think it´s insulting (apology accepted) and just another poor excuse for something very simple,
bad service feed´s bad publicity, period
Now I may talk slow but that doesn´t mean I´m stupid and my maturity level equates to the age of 15 and a half, (that´s the way I like it thank you very much) but that does not have anything to do with me not liking them. I still know bad service when I see it, and until I get a refund and a written apology I will keep writing about it.
ChocksAwayUK,last time I checked, conscience wasn´t in the NAC dictionary
I´m out
when you feel you have to apologise in advance for writing a post, I think the best bet is, don´t write it!
Having been to Naples myself, I don´t buy your explanation one bit. I think it´s insulting (apology accepted) and just another poor excuse for something very simple,
bad service feed´s bad publicity, period
Now I may talk slow but that doesn´t mean I´m stupid and my maturity level equates to the age of 15 and a half, (that´s the way I like it thank you very much) but that does not have anything to do with me not liking them. I still know bad service when I see it, and until I get a refund and a written apology I will keep writing about it.
ChocksAwayUK,last time I checked, conscience wasn´t in the NAC dictionary
I´m out
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2D as you surmise, the Pprune policy is similar to Flyer's. We are reasonably happy to let people express strong feelings about their experiences, good or bad, but where there is any doubt that what they are talking about is actually someone else's experience, or something they've heard in conversation, then we draw the line. Where the experience quoted is particularly controversial we then ask the poster to confirm their genuine identity and contact details - which we will not reveal to any third party without legal enforcement. If the poster is unwilling to do that, the post is withdrawn. If the poster persists in controversy without substantiation, they may find themselves unable to participate further.
Of course, we would prefer it if these arguments could be conducted in a reasonably polite and adult manner. Unfortunately, that is beyond the ability of some contributors.
However, most readers understand that a contributor's credibility to the overall readership is directly related to the style, reason and clarity of their contributions.
Scroggs
Of course, we would prefer it if these arguments could be conducted in a reasonably polite and adult manner. Unfortunately, that is beyond the ability of some contributors.
However, most readers understand that a contributor's credibility to the overall readership is directly related to the style, reason and clarity of their contributions.Scroggs
