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I have had a few requests for information about Flight Training Europe, Jerez, so I wrote this to hopefully cover any questions you may have. Also to clear up any untrue myths that seem to circulate on forums like Pprune. This is by no means a sales ploy for FTE; it is simply what I think as a student. It is also not in any way meant to come across as ‘FTE is the best’ as everyone has different needs. The modular route suits some people and the integrate others. Please don’t turn this thread into an integrated vs modular.
Background:
FTE was originally managed by BAE systems until just over a year ago. It is now under new management and I must say there have been a lot of changes for the good. Mainly a shake up in the managerial structure with a few unnecessary employees being asked to leave.
Aptitude Testing:
I did my aptitude testing last February so it may have changed a bit since then although from talking to people that have taken them recently they sound fairly similar. You do the tour of the campus, look at the classrooms, sims, hangers etc. Then get placed in a small room with a computer for about 3 hours to complete a load of tests. Basic hand eye co-ordination stuff that you can either do or not! Flying though boxes, shapes, numbers. Then you have some maths questions and verbal reasoning which is actually quite hard, mainly because you run out of time. You do get a calculator but it’s quicker just to dead recon the answer as its all multiple choice. Then a questionnaire type thing that is supposed to allow the computer to find out what sort of person you are. Not quite sure how that works but then I don’t know an awful lot of things. Then you have an interview, either with the MD here or with another guy. Both of whom are very nice people and very easy to talk to. Basic questions, ‘why do you want to come here?’, ‘why a pilot?’, ‘what did you do at school/college/uni?’. Never will money crop up in the conversation. You then get a small problem, you are the manager of a company and one of your aircraft goes tech in some random country. How do you get the punters back home, type of thing. During the interview there is a general discussion between you and the interviewer, just to see what type a person you are. My advice is to be yourself, its so easy to put on an act at interviews and they can see straight through it. Normally you get told during the interview if you will be offered a place.
If you do come down for the interview and you stay the night, go into the bar and talk to some of the students here. They will always talk to you, but don’t expect to be able to understand any of the Irish lads after a few drinks on a Friday night! Rah Blah Dah is about all I can understand normally.
Most importantly, people do fail the aptitude testing nowadays, as recruitment picks up the schools want students with the best chance of getting a job at the end of training, so they become more selective. Its not easy and its not a case of just turning up with the money.
Ground school:
Ground school takes place Monday to Friday from 9-5 with 6 hours of lessons a day. Hard work, and by Friday you are ready for that night out! The tuition, I have to say is very good. All of the instructors know there stuff and most of them have had real life experience in what they teach. Eg. Our electrics teacher was a flight engineer before coming out to Spain and our engines teacher was a ground engineer. We do have a couple of Spanish instructors but they are just as good, if not better than the English guys and all speak excellent English. Plenty of work to keep you busy for years although it is compressed into only a few months, with a couple of weeks revision time and lots of feedback questions to go thorough before the exams. Phase one consists of Navigation, Met, Mass and Balance, Radio Nav, Principles of Flight and Aircraft General Knowledge. Then after you pass those exams you start phase two which is the rest of the subjects and the flying is integrated into that. One day ground school, one day flying. If you fail more than 2 phase one exams then you are put down a class (about 4 weeks) and then have to do them again before you can go onto phase 2.
Flying:
What can I say here? Starting with the aircraft. As you would expect they are training aeroplanes that are used every day so are not perfect. Planes do go tech and have to be fixed. Having said that, they are very well maintained, and the hangars are so clean and organised you could eat off the floors! The engineers here are very friendly and will always fix anything you break on the airplane to get you back in the air asap. The instructors are also very good, most of whom have a lot of experience, air force and civil, and are very dedicated to the job. If you put the effort in and take it seriously then you will get the results at the end. The airspace is fairly crowded and there is a lot of commercial traffic in and out of Jerez all of the time, which is good for training. The Spanish ATC are on the whole very helpful although not quite as slick as the British controllers I must say so you must stay one step ahead of them at all times. The aircraft we use are Warriors, Senacas, and the MCC sim is an HS125, full motion. As well as the Frasca and FNPT2 sims.
Life In Spain:
Well it is very different to the UK, the language, the culture, the weather to name a few differences. A bit of Spanish will help you a lot when you go out into town but I don’t know any and I manage to get by ok. In this area of Spain not that many people speak English so don’t expect anyone to understand anything you say, out of the campus that is. The weather is brilliant most of the year, although we do suffer a bit from early morning mist/fog until about 11.00 some days. The locals are very friendly and very welcoming as well as the staff at FTE who will join the students on Friday evening outings to the local bars. So everybody knows everybody which gives a good atmosphere. Some weekends it’s nice to rent a car and go to explore some of the local towns, even if its just to get out of the school. As you spend 24 hours a day/ 7 days a week on the site it is nice to get out occasionally. Having said that everything you need is here for you. Gym, swimming pool, canteen, bar, social club, Sky tv and the rooms even get cleaned twice a week! The rooms vary in size, but all have Air Con/Heating, en-suite showers and toilets and we are currently having network sockets installed in all of the rooms which will give us access to the internet and should be operative by next week. Lastly the price of things down here is great. Almost everything is cheaper than the UK, including the beer. We pay about 90p a pint and half of that during happy hour!
Jobs:
Lots of interest recently at FTE from a lot of airlines. Things are definitely picking up in the industry and many of the students have found jobs very soon after completing their training. Not going to go into specifics but if your interested PM me.
On the whole I am thoroughly enjoying my time here. Obviously I only speak for myself but I really can’t fault the place, except I miss the cold and the rain. Its currently +18ish and still t-shirt weather in the middle of December!
If you have any other questions that I have missed out then get in touch.
Rgds, FlyUK
Background:
FTE was originally managed by BAE systems until just over a year ago. It is now under new management and I must say there have been a lot of changes for the good. Mainly a shake up in the managerial structure with a few unnecessary employees being asked to leave.
Aptitude Testing:
I did my aptitude testing last February so it may have changed a bit since then although from talking to people that have taken them recently they sound fairly similar. You do the tour of the campus, look at the classrooms, sims, hangers etc. Then get placed in a small room with a computer for about 3 hours to complete a load of tests. Basic hand eye co-ordination stuff that you can either do or not! Flying though boxes, shapes, numbers. Then you have some maths questions and verbal reasoning which is actually quite hard, mainly because you run out of time. You do get a calculator but it’s quicker just to dead recon the answer as its all multiple choice. Then a questionnaire type thing that is supposed to allow the computer to find out what sort of person you are. Not quite sure how that works but then I don’t know an awful lot of things. Then you have an interview, either with the MD here or with another guy. Both of whom are very nice people and very easy to talk to. Basic questions, ‘why do you want to come here?’, ‘why a pilot?’, ‘what did you do at school/college/uni?’. Never will money crop up in the conversation. You then get a small problem, you are the manager of a company and one of your aircraft goes tech in some random country. How do you get the punters back home, type of thing. During the interview there is a general discussion between you and the interviewer, just to see what type a person you are. My advice is to be yourself, its so easy to put on an act at interviews and they can see straight through it. Normally you get told during the interview if you will be offered a place.
If you do come down for the interview and you stay the night, go into the bar and talk to some of the students here. They will always talk to you, but don’t expect to be able to understand any of the Irish lads after a few drinks on a Friday night! Rah Blah Dah is about all I can understand normally.
Most importantly, people do fail the aptitude testing nowadays, as recruitment picks up the schools want students with the best chance of getting a job at the end of training, so they become more selective. Its not easy and its not a case of just turning up with the money.
Ground school:
Ground school takes place Monday to Friday from 9-5 with 6 hours of lessons a day. Hard work, and by Friday you are ready for that night out! The tuition, I have to say is very good. All of the instructors know there stuff and most of them have had real life experience in what they teach. Eg. Our electrics teacher was a flight engineer before coming out to Spain and our engines teacher was a ground engineer. We do have a couple of Spanish instructors but they are just as good, if not better than the English guys and all speak excellent English. Plenty of work to keep you busy for years although it is compressed into only a few months, with a couple of weeks revision time and lots of feedback questions to go thorough before the exams. Phase one consists of Navigation, Met, Mass and Balance, Radio Nav, Principles of Flight and Aircraft General Knowledge. Then after you pass those exams you start phase two which is the rest of the subjects and the flying is integrated into that. One day ground school, one day flying. If you fail more than 2 phase one exams then you are put down a class (about 4 weeks) and then have to do them again before you can go onto phase 2.
Flying:
What can I say here? Starting with the aircraft. As you would expect they are training aeroplanes that are used every day so are not perfect. Planes do go tech and have to be fixed. Having said that, they are very well maintained, and the hangars are so clean and organised you could eat off the floors! The engineers here are very friendly and will always fix anything you break on the airplane to get you back in the air asap. The instructors are also very good, most of whom have a lot of experience, air force and civil, and are very dedicated to the job. If you put the effort in and take it seriously then you will get the results at the end. The airspace is fairly crowded and there is a lot of commercial traffic in and out of Jerez all of the time, which is good for training. The Spanish ATC are on the whole very helpful although not quite as slick as the British controllers I must say so you must stay one step ahead of them at all times. The aircraft we use are Warriors, Senacas, and the MCC sim is an HS125, full motion. As well as the Frasca and FNPT2 sims.
Life In Spain:
Well it is very different to the UK, the language, the culture, the weather to name a few differences. A bit of Spanish will help you a lot when you go out into town but I don’t know any and I manage to get by ok. In this area of Spain not that many people speak English so don’t expect anyone to understand anything you say, out of the campus that is. The weather is brilliant most of the year, although we do suffer a bit from early morning mist/fog until about 11.00 some days. The locals are very friendly and very welcoming as well as the staff at FTE who will join the students on Friday evening outings to the local bars. So everybody knows everybody which gives a good atmosphere. Some weekends it’s nice to rent a car and go to explore some of the local towns, even if its just to get out of the school. As you spend 24 hours a day/ 7 days a week on the site it is nice to get out occasionally. Having said that everything you need is here for you. Gym, swimming pool, canteen, bar, social club, Sky tv and the rooms even get cleaned twice a week! The rooms vary in size, but all have Air Con/Heating, en-suite showers and toilets and we are currently having network sockets installed in all of the rooms which will give us access to the internet and should be operative by next week. Lastly the price of things down here is great. Almost everything is cheaper than the UK, including the beer. We pay about 90p a pint and half of that during happy hour!
Jobs:
Lots of interest recently at FTE from a lot of airlines. Things are definitely picking up in the industry and many of the students have found jobs very soon after completing their training. Not going to go into specifics but if your interested PM me.
On the whole I am thoroughly enjoying my time here. Obviously I only speak for myself but I really can’t fault the place, except I miss the cold and the rain. Its currently +18ish and still t-shirt weather in the middle of December!
If you have any other questions that I have missed out then get in touch.
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Interesting post, at last someone adding some "been there done that" knowledge on here rather than conjecture.
However a recurring criticism of Jerez is the degree of arrogance and disdain of some of the management with respect to students who ask for anything other than the full E90,000 ab-initio course. Comments from previous threads seem to lean towards a "well go elsewhere then" attitude on occasion.
Just interested to find out if you've ever encountered any of this in your time there?
However a recurring criticism of Jerez is the degree of arrogance and disdain of some of the management with respect to students who ask for anything other than the full E90,000 ab-initio course. Comments from previous threads seem to lean towards a "well go elsewhere then" attitude on occasion.
Just interested to find out if you've ever encountered any of this in your time there?
The weather factor is not great in Jerez. Too foggy in Autumn, too crosswindy anytime and too damn hot in summer. Why they didn't go to the South of France baffled me then and baffles me now. Tolouse would have been pefect.
Spanish ATC and Spanish Airspace is a total and utter pain in the backside for flying training purposes. They don't like what is perceived as a British school in their midst and most of them would happily storm Gibraltar to take it back from us. This shows.
I wish all at Jerez the very best.
Nevertheless I question why anyone would or should pay the costs of an Integrated course at present. Modular can be done faster and cheaper, more flexibly and with you very much more in control and treated like a customer.
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Spanish ATC and Spanish Airspace is a total and utter pain in the backside for flying training purposes. They don't like what is perceived as a British school in their midst and most of them would happily storm Gibraltar to take it back from us. This shows.
I wish all at Jerez the very best.
Nevertheless I question why anyone would or should pay the costs of an Integrated course at present. Modular can be done faster and cheaper, more flexibly and with you very much more in control and treated like a customer.
Cheers
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WWW, 14 months is pretty quick, how much faster can it be done. 
And, done...properly.
I agree about the Wx, there's a bit of marketing BS on their site, about the weather. But when you get a good clear day it's good craic.
IR
And, done...properly.
I agree about the Wx, there's a bit of marketing BS on their site, about the weather. But when you get a good clear day it's good craic.
IR
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The TRUE STORY about Jerez cannot be printed until after I die for fear of reprisals!
"Es soy piloto"
G'luck with the catholic spanish girlies. I dated one for weeks until I finally got a snog only then to discover after all that wasted money and time she'd got a stubbly upper lip.
Vages96 from that moment on I guess.
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G'luck with the catholic spanish girlies. I dated one for weeks until I finally got a snog only then to discover after all that wasted money and time she'd got a stubbly upper lip.
Vages96 from that moment on I guess.
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Thanks VFE, you've just made me spit tea all over my keyboard!
Can I suggest that anyone else worried about stubbly upper lips considers training in France - I've yet to meet a French girl with this problem.
Can I suggest that anyone else worried about stubbly upper lips considers training in France - I've yet to meet a French girl with this problem.
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G-SIXTY - cheers mate.
benhurr - If you mean Vages96, then I certainly wouldn't! The double standards of some students were appalling, if in doubt - point the finger at someone else to take away the attention from yourself seemed to be the order of the day.
The pecentage of students who actually liked Jerez when I was there would be about 3%. The other 97% dreamt of escaping. Easily the worst five months of my life before I had the good sense to jump ship and go modular. The management were abysmal, the heads of training were stuck in their 1970's military days and we were all taken as mugs. If I wanted to be screwed I'd have pulled my panties down!
This was a coupla years back now so I must add that I have no idea what the place is like now under new ownership. It could not be much worse that's for sure so we'll assume it's good there now.
I could say a helluva lot more about that place but the age old aviation tradition of keeping your thoughts to yourself in a bad situation is what stops me. I saw guys nearly lose their sanity in that place. I saw guys financially scarred for life by the Stalinist management raping them and then throwing them out without one hour in an aircraft.
My eyes gazed upon things you couldn't even imagine, neon storms at the airstrips of Sales Marsh...... err..... sorry... I'm quoting from Bladerunner now.
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benhurr - If you mean Vages96, then I certainly wouldn't! The double standards of some students were appalling, if in doubt - point the finger at someone else to take away the attention from yourself seemed to be the order of the day.
The pecentage of students who actually liked Jerez when I was there would be about 3%. The other 97% dreamt of escaping. Easily the worst five months of my life before I had the good sense to jump ship and go modular. The management were abysmal, the heads of training were stuck in their 1970's military days and we were all taken as mugs. If I wanted to be screwed I'd have pulled my panties down!
This was a coupla years back now so I must add that I have no idea what the place is like now under new ownership. It could not be much worse that's for sure so we'll assume it's good there now.
I could say a helluva lot more about that place but the age old aviation tradition of keeping your thoughts to yourself in a bad situation is what stops me. I saw guys nearly lose their sanity in that place. I saw guys financially scarred for life by the Stalinist management raping them and then throwing them out without one hour in an aircraft.
My eyes gazed upon things you couldn't even imagine, neon storms at the airstrips of Sales Marsh...... err..... sorry... I'm quoting from Bladerunner now.
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People who pull the plug after 5 months must have more money than sence. (Becuase it's an expensive option) And in my experience people who left were either given a golden handshake and told one yer bike mate you're not up to it.
Sour grapes me thinks.
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Sour grapes me thinks.
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Another reason why it's taken about 3 years for me to reveal that bad situation is because of the exact same reaction you've just given Irishrover. I would have been up to it had the groundschool been up to it. Simple as that really. They really were swimming against the tide in understanding what JAR wanted but some of that is because JAR had not long been implimented. I have been sitting on this one for far too long and if others who had the same impression of that place (and as I say there were many!) had the guts to stand up for what they believe in and face ridicule like I have today then perhaps the aviation training world would not be comparable to the second hand car trade. These places thrive on customers staying quiet for fear of ridicule by the likes of you. You do not help the situation for those going through training now by saying things like that.
Granted, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed (who would say they were?) but I was not the only one who struggled to pass the ATPL's there. I passed everything first time with BGS so hopefully that shows that something, somewhere was not clicking at Jerez. That is what I mean by choosing the right path for yourself. I did not cherish being treated like I was in the air force. Few did. To say that the management ethos was intimidating would be an understatement. If they were trying to install discipline then they were trippin' considering the determination and sacrifices the guys training there had made. What kind of people did they take us for if they thought we needed to be treated like subordinates? I don't need to be treated like that in order to learn about the chains of command and respect thank you.
As for golden handshakes - more myths and rumours about that aspect of the experience than Vages96! Nobody who left to pursue their training elsewhere told the truth about their business dealings and why should they? There was this noble savage notion amongst students that to leave for another school was in some way a failure. Just goes to show how brainwashed we allowed ourselves to become when we signed on the dotted line. We used to have a saying on campus - if you fart at the gates you've shat yourself by the time you reach your bedroom. Sums it up really.
I do not have sour grapes only disappointment that I chose the wrong route for myself. Anything I type here is for the benefit of others thinking of going through training and perhaps to get things off my chest over something I percieve as being one of the great untold stories of commercial pilot training. Shame nobody else who felt the same way had the bottle to say so but you get used to that after a while when you're climbing up the ladder. Alas these things will disappear like the shifting sands in an ocean's bed....
VFE.
PS: It is spelt sense - not sence dear boy.
Granted, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed (who would say they were?) but I was not the only one who struggled to pass the ATPL's there. I passed everything first time with BGS so hopefully that shows that something, somewhere was not clicking at Jerez. That is what I mean by choosing the right path for yourself. I did not cherish being treated like I was in the air force. Few did. To say that the management ethos was intimidating would be an understatement. If they were trying to install discipline then they were trippin' considering the determination and sacrifices the guys training there had made. What kind of people did they take us for if they thought we needed to be treated like subordinates? I don't need to be treated like that in order to learn about the chains of command and respect thank you.
As for golden handshakes - more myths and rumours about that aspect of the experience than Vages96! Nobody who left to pursue their training elsewhere told the truth about their business dealings and why should they? There was this noble savage notion amongst students that to leave for another school was in some way a failure. Just goes to show how brainwashed we allowed ourselves to become when we signed on the dotted line. We used to have a saying on campus - if you fart at the gates you've shat yourself by the time you reach your bedroom. Sums it up really.
I do not have sour grapes only disappointment that I chose the wrong route for myself. Anything I type here is for the benefit of others thinking of going through training and perhaps to get things off my chest over something I percieve as being one of the great untold stories of commercial pilot training. Shame nobody else who felt the same way had the bottle to say so but you get used to that after a while when you're climbing up the ladder. Alas these things will disappear like the shifting sands in an ocean's bed....
VFE.
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French girls may not have hairy top lips but they sure have hairy arm pits. Used to work beside a french girl and she had beautiful flowing hair down to her waist ....... and that was from under her arms, and she had terminal B.O. to boot. Eventually had to buy her some right guard to give her a clue!!!
French girls may not have hairy top lips but they sure have hairy arm pits. Used to work beside a french girl and she had beautiful flowing hair down to her waist ....... and that was from under her arms, and she had terminal B.O. to boot. Eventually had to buy her some right guard to give her a clue!!!
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VFE me old mate, fair enough if you feel you want to pass on your experience of Jerez to benifit others, but from my experience I do think yours is biased toward the negative.
True I heard I was tough initially with the introduction of JAR for the earlier courses but what do you expect? I know people of those courses and sure they got on with it a battled through. Thoses days are gone as there's a good knowledge of the JAR exams now. The fact that you passed with BGS, is pointless, I'm sure you had a break and were motivated to get them a second time round.
There are a few RAF guys down in Jerez, if you don't like them too bad, keep you're head down and get on with it. They are good at what they do. And it did not feel like being in an air force, that's garbage.
The guys that did fall by the wayside in Jerez simply lost focus, and fell in love with the fact that they thought they were at holiday camp with a bit of flying thrown in! At the end of the day, you get what you put in. ie f**k all in = f**k all out
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True I heard I was tough initially with the introduction of JAR for the earlier courses but what do you expect? I know people of those courses and sure they got on with it a battled through. Thoses days are gone as there's a good knowledge of the JAR exams now. The fact that you passed with BGS, is pointless, I'm sure you had a break and were motivated to get them a second time round.
There are a few RAF guys down in Jerez, if you don't like them too bad, keep you're head down and get on with it. They are good at what they do. And it did not feel like being in an air force, that's garbage.
The guys that did fall by the wayside in Jerez simply lost focus, and fell in love with the fact that they thought they were at holiday camp with a bit of flying thrown in! At the end of the day, you get what you put in. ie f**k all in = f**k all out
Such is life.
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You have your impressions and I have mine Irishrover.
Pointless getting into drawn out debates these days because it's a long time ago now and things have changed completely hence the reason I'm not so reticent to shroud my views because there is little point in doing so. Some people just have difficulty in understanding that students often have very little control over their destiny once they commit to training and I've been on both sides of the fence. Whilst doing my CPL I found myself sat around the dinner table one night with five students who hated the FTO we were at. I on the other hand found the FTO to be brilliant so it only goes to show...
Took six and passed three ATPL's in Jerez and never ran to a second time around as you assume. I walked whilst I still had my 5 sittings left and sailed through at BGS a few months later. Granted I had a break but shall we compare the BGS notes to the Four Forces notes or the bits of scribbled paper I managed to emerge from the classes at Jerez with? Hmmm..... best not.
Suffice to say that many students felt the same way when I was at Jerez and only one or two had the courage to stand up and say something or even better do something about the bad situation. The fact they sacked probably the most competant and amiable guy in the groundschool was proof of the management's unbelievable arrogance around that time. Who is laughing now?
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Pointless getting into drawn out debates these days because it's a long time ago now and things have changed completely hence the reason I'm not so reticent to shroud my views because there is little point in doing so. Some people just have difficulty in understanding that students often have very little control over their destiny once they commit to training and I've been on both sides of the fence. Whilst doing my CPL I found myself sat around the dinner table one night with five students who hated the FTO we were at. I on the other hand found the FTO to be brilliant so it only goes to show...
Took six and passed three ATPL's in Jerez and never ran to a second time around as you assume. I walked whilst I still had my 5 sittings left and sailed through at BGS a few months later. Granted I had a break but shall we compare the BGS notes to the Four Forces notes or the bits of scribbled paper I managed to emerge from the classes at Jerez with? Hmmm..... best not.
Suffice to say that many students felt the same way when I was at Jerez and only one or two had the courage to stand up and say something or even better do something about the bad situation. The fact they sacked probably the most competant and amiable guy in the groundschool was proof of the management's unbelievable arrogance around that time. Who is laughing now?
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flighttime2.0, no offence intended to the irish, i think their great, i just have to nod my head and agree when they try to talk to me in the early hours
VFE, intresting to hear your say on Jerez from a few year back. But i must say its not like that anymore. Management has changed for the better and are all, mostly, very nice people. The groundschool, i really can't criticize. The instuctors know there stuff and the notes i'm sure have changed since your time, for the better.
That ratio of student who want to get out....well, i don't think you will find one who dosn't like the place to be honest.
But as you said yourself, you were here a few years ago. A lot can happen in a few years.
VFE, intresting to hear your say on Jerez from a few year back. But i must say its not like that anymore. Management has changed for the better and are all, mostly, very nice people. The groundschool, i really can't criticize. The instuctors know there stuff and the notes i'm sure have changed since your time, for the better.
That ratio of student who want to get out....well, i don't think you will find one who dosn't like the place to be honest.
But as you said yourself, you were here a few years ago. A lot can happen in a few years.
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That is great to hear FlyUK. Glad I've been given the opportunity to get some stuff off my chest in this thread and lay some old ghosts to bed. Bullies breed on silence - always remember that. If you are unhappy with your training you have a right to question those supplying it or go elsewhere.
Lastly, I'd just like to say I do not have any problems with anyone who has a military background. To be prejudiced against someone for that reason alone is ridiculous. Most of the ex-mil guys at Jerez were wonderful people who I'd happily go to bat for anyday. The problems came with the old edifices that creaked higher up and one suspects those guys further down the chain wouldn't have been overly quick to deny that.
Regards,
VFE.
Lastly, I'd just like to say I do not have any problems with anyone who has a military background. To be prejudiced against someone for that reason alone is ridiculous. Most of the ex-mil guys at Jerez were wonderful people who I'd happily go to bat for anyday. The problems came with the old edifices that creaked higher up and one suspects those guys further down the chain wouldn't have been overly quick to deny that.
Regards,
VFE.
The groundschool in Jerez when it opened was a shambles as JAR came in and everyone knew that. At the time VFE was there things were not good.
Things are very different now.
If I had to spenf 14 months learning to fly in one place then between Oxford, Bedford and Jerez I would choose the latter I think. There is badger all to choose between them in terms of what they offer - so you may as well be in the sun with cheap beer.
But then I'd save myself time and money and customer satisfaction and go Modular where the customer is king and you don't get cabin fever.
Same hours, same license, same syllabus, same job prospects - £20,000 cheaper. Its really not difficult.
Cheers
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Things are very different now.
If I had to spenf 14 months learning to fly in one place then between Oxford, Bedford and Jerez I would choose the latter I think. There is badger all to choose between them in terms of what they offer - so you may as well be in the sun with cheap beer.
But then I'd save myself time and money and customer satisfaction and go Modular where the customer is king and you don't get cabin fever.
Same hours, same license, same syllabus, same job prospects - £20,000 cheaper. Its really not difficult.
Cheers
WWW
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WWW for someone that had a less than a glorious pass at jerez you seem to know how good or bad everything was.
After making shambles the future of what were customers, not caring less you could refrain a bit in your comments.
You might be enjoying were you are now but you have quickly forgotten from were you came.
After making shambles the future of what were customers, not caring less you could refrain a bit in your comments.
You might be enjoying were you are now but you have quickly forgotten from were you came.