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Weette... Since I doubt you have much of a clue about when WWW was at Jerez you should re-think your post. WWW knows exactly where he came from and he nows that with the self improver route he took he has got him where he is a lot cheaper than the rip off price of Jerez.
As for groundschool knowing their stuff at Jerez. Well any muppet can learn one JAR subject and then act as a TV presenter for a few classes on that subject whilst they press next slide on powerpoint.
Just because the instrcutor has grey hair does not make them experienced; it may just means they are old and perhaps on a second career. A well used practice at a school where the managment in charge are still the same ones that were always in charge under BAE.
As for groundschool knowing their stuff at Jerez. Well any muppet can learn one JAR subject and then act as a TV presenter for a few classes on that subject whilst they press next slide on powerpoint.
Just because the instrcutor has grey hair does not make them experienced; it may just means they are old and perhaps on a second career. A well used practice at a school where the managment in charge are still the same ones that were always in charge under BAE.
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There would appear to be a few folks appearing out of the wood work...
How about this from the CFI (direct quote no edits)
"Firstly, a little about Flight Training Europe at Jerez, we are not like the flying schools that you have worked for before but are an Approved Flight Training Organisation. We do not train private pilots but commercial airline pilots. As such the level of instruction is significantly higher than most flying schools. The flight instruction includes training for the CPL and IR Skill Tests on an integrated course. The single engine training covers most
of the contents of these tests. We currently employ 18 flight instructors; their accumulative flight time is well over one million flying hours, the average flight time per instructor being approximately 6000 hours; the average flight instruction time is approaching 4000 per instructor."
This was written to a potential flight instructor. Arrogant? You decide. Mathematical ability? work it out for yourself.
92000 Euros?
Like VFE, I have no axe to grind. Like VFE I was there a couple of years ago. Ownership might have changed, management might have changed but I guess the general arrogant attitude hasn't.
I might add that I have only posted this as VFE was brave enough to stick his head above the parapet - guess it is about time that others did too!
Happy Christmas.
How about this from the CFI (direct quote no edits)
"Firstly, a little about Flight Training Europe at Jerez, we are not like the flying schools that you have worked for before but are an Approved Flight Training Organisation. We do not train private pilots but commercial airline pilots. As such the level of instruction is significantly higher than most flying schools. The flight instruction includes training for the CPL and IR Skill Tests on an integrated course. The single engine training covers most
of the contents of these tests. We currently employ 18 flight instructors; their accumulative flight time is well over one million flying hours, the average flight time per instructor being approximately 6000 hours; the average flight instruction time is approaching 4000 per instructor."
This was written to a potential flight instructor. Arrogant? You decide. Mathematical ability? work it out for yourself.
92000 Euros?
Like VFE, I have no axe to grind. Like VFE I was there a couple of years ago. Ownership might have changed, management might have changed but I guess the general arrogant attitude hasn't.
I might add that I have only posted this as VFE was brave enough to stick his head above the parapet - guess it is about time that others did too!
Happy Christmas.
Weete - I was never a student at Jerez, I was a flying instructor.
Folks - the truth is there is very very little to choose between the 3 Integrated schools. All are accused of being arrogant, of being disorganised and of treating students like numbers on a board. Variously each will be said to have some brilliant instructors and some rubbish ones.
There are always satisfied and diss-satisfied customers, some look back in anger and other don rose tinted specs.
The fact is that all the Integrated schools have rapidly gone downhill since the days of CAP509. In those days standards were higher, instructors more experienced and better paid.
These days - and until many airlines are clamouring for cadets on an ad hoc basis - I recommend Modular. 4 instructors 5 aircraft 1 Sim and 10 students is about the ideal set up in my opinion. There are plenty of schools up and down the land like this. It just takes a bit of effort to get past the marketing one encounters as a Wannabe.
Cheers
WWW
Folks - the truth is there is very very little to choose between the 3 Integrated schools. All are accused of being arrogant, of being disorganised and of treating students like numbers on a board. Variously each will be said to have some brilliant instructors and some rubbish ones.
There are always satisfied and diss-satisfied customers, some look back in anger and other don rose tinted specs.
The fact is that all the Integrated schools have rapidly gone downhill since the days of CAP509. In those days standards were higher, instructors more experienced and better paid.
These days - and until many airlines are clamouring for cadets on an ad hoc basis - I recommend Modular. 4 instructors 5 aircraft 1 Sim and 10 students is about the ideal set up in my opinion. There are plenty of schools up and down the land like this. It just takes a bit of effort to get past the marketing one encounters as a Wannabe.
Cheers
WWW
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VFE - after reading about your experience, I just wanted to find out where you ended up - airlines / instructing....???
I'm keen to go to FTE to just do my CPL/IR (modular route) and then probably get a FI rating somewhere else and probably instruct depending on how the industry looks in a years time.
Wee Weasey Welshman - What made you leave FTE? Are you still instructing in the local area (Staverton)?? I'm currently doing my IMC and hour building at Glos and am looking foward to the next step. Would you recommend a larger training org or a smaller one for CPL/IR training as I do know a very good and friendly flying school at Glos who teach CPL/IR.
Many thanks,
G-ANDY
I'm keen to go to FTE to just do my CPL/IR (modular route) and then probably get a FI rating somewhere else and probably instruct depending on how the industry looks in a years time.
Wee Weasey Welshman - What made you leave FTE? Are you still instructing in the local area (Staverton)?? I'm currently doing my IMC and hour building at Glos and am looking foward to the next step. Would you recommend a larger training org or a smaller one for CPL/IR training as I do know a very good and friendly flying school at Glos who teach CPL/IR.
Many thanks,
G-ANDY
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A few people are appearing out of the woodwork. Plus a lot of people 'claim' not to have an axe to grind.
"There are always satisfied and diss-satisfied customers, some look back in anger and other don rose tinted specs"
And then there are the others that, just get on with it and get jobs. And forget all about it.
MK
"There are always satisfied and diss-satisfied customers, some look back in anger and other don rose tinted specs"
And then there are the others that, just get on with it and get jobs. And forget all about it.
MK
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>> VFE
Hi VFE (& all)
I was reading through this thread and picked up on something you mentioned earlier;
If you are unhappy with your training you have a right to question those supplying it or go elsewhere
I used to think this, and wondered why many people on courses didn't carry the same opinion and say something when things are not as should be. I would say there is a very fine line with this as some schools may perceive you as a trouble maker when all you were looking for is what you paid for.
My tip would be, buy a new car that cost's £20K complain if something minor doesnt work, buy a flying course that costs £40K and something minor doesnt work - just stay quiet and dont get branded a trouble maker as unfortunately I understand this can/could come back to haunt you.
One has to be careful.
FS
rest yourself on the sofa and tell me about your childhood, is now replaced with rest yourself on the sofa and tell me about your flight training :-)
Hi VFE (& all)
I was reading through this thread and picked up on something you mentioned earlier;
If you are unhappy with your training you have a right to question those supplying it or go elsewhere
I used to think this, and wondered why many people on courses didn't carry the same opinion and say something when things are not as should be. I would say there is a very fine line with this as some schools may perceive you as a trouble maker when all you were looking for is what you paid for.
My tip would be, buy a new car that cost's £20K complain if something minor doesnt work, buy a flying course that costs £40K and something minor doesnt work - just stay quiet and dont get branded a trouble maker as unfortunately I understand this can/could come back to haunt you.
One has to be careful.
FS
rest yourself on the sofa and tell me about your childhood, is now replaced with rest yourself on the sofa and tell me about your flight training :-)
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THE COMMERCIAL PILOT...
"Mr Recruiter... I elbowed an integrated course because it was wasn't value for money. Shall we discuss fuel economy now or later?"
VFE.
"Mr Recruiter... I elbowed an integrated course because it was wasn't value for money. Shall we discuss fuel economy now or later?"
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VFE
Swallowed any Ants recently????
Might have only been 5 months mate, but it wasn't all bad!! Don't think I've ever had such good nights out!! (er.......once a week obviously)!!!
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Swallowed any Ants recently????
Might have only been 5 months mate, but it wasn't all bad!! Don't think I've ever had such good nights out!! (er.......once a week obviously)!!!
Drop me a line or PM
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Stains!
Never a good idea to snort ants - makes you dribble and your face go red apparently, can't think why?! Perhaps a keg of Cruzcampo is the best antidote?
Hope you're doing great and I'll give ya a call soon matey!
VFE.
Never a good idea to snort ants - makes you dribble and your face go red apparently, can't think why?! Perhaps a keg of Cruzcampo is the best antidote?
Hope you're doing great and I'll give ya a call soon matey!
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To expand on what WWW mentioned, the modular route actually allows MORE flight hours for less money than integrated - bearing in mind JAA require 200 hours total of which 100 PIC before taking the CPL skill test for modular route students, as opposed to 150 of which 75 for integrated students.
I went modular, paid substantially less than integrated and ended up with more hours on my logbook by the time I was finished with CPL/IR - and I never paid anything more than a token deposit up front.
Cheers
I went modular, paid substantially less than integrated and ended up with more hours on my logbook by the time I was finished with CPL/IR - and I never paid anything more than a token deposit up front.
Cheers
