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Please help! Any advice gratefully received!
I have my PPL, Night Rating and all the ATPL theory exams. I am currently hour building (here in the UK) and am looking at places for my CPL/ME/IR. How on earth do I choose!?! I need feedback from you guys! I think I want to do my IR in the UK, but am open to advice and suggestions regarding any of it!! I have been told what to look for in a flying school ,but there are so many pro's and con's with all of them!! Thankyou!
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CPL/ME/IR
Hi Naughty, I'm in a similar position to you and am doing all my training at Flightpass at Exeter Airport. Looked into a number of different places before settling here and can recommend them extremely highly. Good, very experienced people and small enough so that your training is constructed to your own personal needs. Very friendly but professional atmosphere. Their website is www.flightpass.co.uk most of the info and contact details are on there. PM me if you want to know any more about 'em. Good luck with it all,
Dan
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Highly recommend Naples Air Center, Florida.
They do the JAA CPL, but where ever you choose for the JAA IR it has to be done in Europe.
Ever thought of doing the FAA IR while doing your JAA CPL at Naples. Then doing the 15-20hr conversion anywhere in the UK. That will save you a little bit of money and enable you to use that saving for the MCC Course.
They do the JAA CPL, but where ever you choose for the JAA IR it has to be done in Europe.
Ever thought of doing the FAA IR while doing your JAA CPL at Naples. Then doing the 15-20hr conversion anywhere in the UK. That will save you a little bit of money and enable you to use that saving for the MCC Course.
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Try searching. You'll hear everyone go on about individual schools so why not start narrowing it down. Area is a good place to start.
Then visit them or call them. It really is horses for courses.
SK
Then visit them or call them. It really is horses for courses.
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Yeah go for NAC if you want to be treated like dirt and worry about being screwed every step of the way.
Anybody ever notice that it is always NAC that gets recommended by some unusually pleased "student" and never some other school.Big mystery.....
My recommendation is avoid that place like the plague,
cause take it from me,
once you sign up and they have youre money,
they will do the same to you
Anybody ever notice that it is always NAC that gets recommended by some unusually pleased "student" and never some other school.Big mystery.....
My recommendation is avoid that place like the plague,
cause take it from me,
once you sign up and they have youre money,
they will do the same to you
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but do NAC not operate a pay as you go policy whereby as long as you keep your account in credit they will be happy? Also, can I ask what training you did there and why did they avoid you like the plague once they had your money?
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What I did was I found out all the schools that provided the training I was looking for (from Lasors) then kept my ears open on here and elsewhere as to what everybody thought of them. After considering my options for a couple of months I had a pretty good idea of the decent ones and the not so decent ones. Once I had narrowed down my options somewhat, I considered the specifics, cost, aircraft used, amount of time on sim, what was included in the cost, and location, both in terms of distance from me, and in terms of suitability as a training location. Arguably the most important thing is to visit your chosen few schools and then pick the one you feel happiest with.
Although I haven't started my advanced training yet, the ones I chose were NAC (hence my interest in Custer's post) for my CPL and ME and Atlantic Flight Training for my IR. Only time will tell if they're good choices!
PW
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do NAC not operate a pay as you go policy whereby as long as you keep your account in credit they will be happy? Also, can I ask what training you did there and why did they avoid you like the plague once they had your money?
Naughtybutnice
What I did was I found out all the schools that provided the training I was looking for (from Lasors) then kept my ears open on here and elsewhere as to what everybody thought of them. After considering my options for a couple of months I had a pretty good idea of the decent ones and the not so decent ones. Once I had narrowed down my options somewhat, I considered the specifics, cost, aircraft used, amount of time on sim, what was included in the cost, and location, both in terms of distance from me, and in terms of suitability as a training location. Arguably the most important thing is to visit your chosen few schools and then pick the one you feel happiest with.
Although I haven't started my advanced training yet, the ones I chose were NAC (hence my interest in Custer's post) for my CPL and ME and Atlantic Flight Training for my IR. Only time will tell if they're good choices!
PW
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EVERY school wants your money at the end of the day!
But I found NAC to be honest and very approachable concerning all issues regarding flight training.
Theres always ONE person who feels the need to bad mouth them.
And custer66 is the only one i've found for a good year now!
I say do a search on NAC and the majority agree with me.
But I found NAC to be honest and very approachable concerning all issues regarding flight training.
Theres always ONE person who feels the need to bad mouth them.
And custer66 is the only one i've found for a good year now!
I say do a search on NAC and the majority agree with me.
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Speedbird,thanks for setting me straight.
I hereby let everyone know,that I,Custer66,was wrong and Speedbird has shown me the way.
It took less than 2 hours for a member of the NAC fanclub to crush the opposition that dared to have a different opinion.
Notice the way he immediately made me the bad guy and made it clear that I was the only one to dislike NAC in a whole year
Well speedy I can tell you that 90% of students currently at NAC
hate the place,I should know,I am still there.
I guess its your word against mine
And Speedy what is this,
"come to NAC and do youre FAA instrument here"
Ok that you like the place but whats this about advertising for them?Come on Speedy,give it up
sorry I just checked,
it took him 20 minutes to correct me,
my bad
I hereby let everyone know,that I,Custer66,was wrong and Speedbird has shown me the way.
It took less than 2 hours for a member of the NAC fanclub to crush the opposition that dared to have a different opinion.
Notice the way he immediately made me the bad guy and made it clear that I was the only one to dislike NAC in a whole year
Well speedy I can tell you that 90% of students currently at NAC
hate the place,I should know,I am still there.
I guess its your word against mine
And Speedy what is this,
"come to NAC and do youre FAA instrument here"
Ok that you like the place but whats this about advertising for them?Come on Speedy,give it up
sorry I just checked,
it took him 20 minutes to correct me,
my bad
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Hehe, let me make this clear.
I am only recommending them because I and many others had reasonably good experiences over there.
That was back in May this year. Maybe things have changed since then!?
I never suggested he SHOULD do his FAA instrument there, NaughtybutNice is looking for ideas and opinions and I'm simply promoting mine. This has nothing to do with being part of a "fanclub" or advertising for NAC!
So custer66 you disagree with me, that really hurts me!
In any case why don't you actually describe for everyone what "bad" experiences you're having there..
I am only recommending them because I and many others had reasonably good experiences over there.
That was back in May this year. Maybe things have changed since then!?
I never suggested he SHOULD do his FAA instrument there, NaughtybutNice is looking for ideas and opinions and I'm simply promoting mine. This has nothing to do with being part of a "fanclub" or advertising for NAC!
So custer66 you disagree with me, that really hurts me!
In any case why don't you actually describe for everyone what "bad" experiences you're having there..
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thanks speedy, I will
for starters you feel like an unwelcome guest even though you are paying their bills
the boss,who usually sits at the front desk is the most primitive man I have ever met in my life(shows you how far you can get with rich parents)
the man is one step above a neanderthal,doesnt have a clue how to run a business,treats the customers with a total lack of respect,kind of like "give me your money,now beat it"
You get the point,he is a real a-hole,is this a man you want to give your money to you ask
I sure dont
some of the people there are ok but you know in the end most of your money goes to the "chimp"
If anyone does come here,stay on your toes,
or youll get ripped off,they are sneaky that way
thats the inside scoop on NAC, at least how I see it
for starters you feel like an unwelcome guest even though you are paying their bills
the boss,who usually sits at the front desk is the most primitive man I have ever met in my life(shows you how far you can get with rich parents)
the man is one step above a neanderthal,doesnt have a clue how to run a business,treats the customers with a total lack of respect,kind of like "give me your money,now beat it"
You get the point,he is a real a-hole,is this a man you want to give your money to you ask
I sure dont
some of the people there are ok but you know in the end most of your money goes to the "chimp"
If anyone does come here,stay on your toes,
or youll get ripped off,they are sneaky that way
thats the inside scoop on NAC, at least how I see it
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Yes custer understood.
The guy is Richard! And actually at first (everyday in fact!) he is a little intimidating! But actually a very honest and sound bloke.
Most instructors are from Norway and hour builders for airline jobs but still a great and professional bunch.
Sorry to hear your misfortunes there.
The guy is Richard! And actually at first (everyday in fact!) he is a little intimidating! But actually a very honest and sound bloke.
Most instructors are from Norway and hour builders for airline jobs but still a great and professional bunch.
Sorry to hear your misfortunes there.
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if I can help one person not to make the same mistake that I did,
I have done a good job.
You dont want to go to a flyingschool that is run by greed
speedy, as you were
if I can help one person not to make the same mistake that I did,
I have done a good job.
You dont want to go to a flyingschool that is run by greed
speedy, as you were
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pardon the expresion but YOU seem to be a real A** hole.
you come on this forum after being registered for ONE WHOLE DAY andd slag off the to the world, the school and the people who run the school. NICE ONE you WILL go along way.
I personally have been to NAC on three separate occasions over 4 years and due to return there in the next week again. this is because i have found the school to be good at what they do, the instructors excellent, facilities good, maintenance good and above all good value for money compared to others.
before you shoot me down in second and accuse me of being a pro_NAC supported on the bandwagon of various supportes such as SPITFIRE747, CARLIE_ZULU and CAT3C i must say I have been to 3 other schools in the USA,2 in florida and one in Arizona and of all, i can honestly say that NAC is by far the best from what I have seen. I am a CPL and a flight instructor in the UK and hae recommended to some of my students if they want to do some flying while the weather is bad here go to USA and NAC... why..? because of my experiences there.. i get nothing from NAC for this and wouldn't expect to.
You will soon begin to learn that the global aviation industry is a very small community and people get to know others very very quickly, NAC has been around for a long time, sponsor this site with adverts, ad have many many hundreds of satisfied customers, many of whom now I know are airline flying.
If you have a grudge with "the guy on the desk taking your money" then you may be going into the wrong industry, where ever you go there will always be a man on the desk or a girl in a back office taking your money, they provide a service, you receive a service, so YOU pay..
Also i might suggest the anonomous aspect of this message board enable you to hide.
Since you have had such a bad experience, would you care to elaborate more on those rather than just come and rubbish a school, especially as your first post since joining.
if you do decide to stick in this industry you will soon become to know that nothing is perfect, infact alot if far from perfect, even the biggest and "best" schools in te UK, USA, Spain, Aus have there faults.. its called LIFE.
i get the feeling this is another attempt to start a fresh post about NAC that will end in a slanging match and end up being withdrawn by the moderators again.
fly safely
TR
pardon the expresion but YOU seem to be a real A** hole.
you come on this forum after being registered for ONE WHOLE DAY andd slag off the to the world, the school and the people who run the school. NICE ONE you WILL go along way.
I personally have been to NAC on three separate occasions over 4 years and due to return there in the next week again. this is because i have found the school to be good at what they do, the instructors excellent, facilities good, maintenance good and above all good value for money compared to others.
before you shoot me down in second and accuse me of being a pro_NAC supported on the bandwagon of various supportes such as SPITFIRE747, CARLIE_ZULU and CAT3C i must say I have been to 3 other schools in the USA,2 in florida and one in Arizona and of all, i can honestly say that NAC is by far the best from what I have seen. I am a CPL and a flight instructor in the UK and hae recommended to some of my students if they want to do some flying while the weather is bad here go to USA and NAC... why..? because of my experiences there.. i get nothing from NAC for this and wouldn't expect to.
You will soon begin to learn that the global aviation industry is a very small community and people get to know others very very quickly, NAC has been around for a long time, sponsor this site with adverts, ad have many many hundreds of satisfied customers, many of whom now I know are airline flying.
If you have a grudge with "the guy on the desk taking your money" then you may be going into the wrong industry, where ever you go there will always be a man on the desk or a girl in a back office taking your money, they provide a service, you receive a service, so YOU pay..
Also i might suggest the anonomous aspect of this message board enable you to hide.
Since you have had such a bad experience, would you care to elaborate more on those rather than just come and rubbish a school, especially as your first post since joining.
if you do decide to stick in this industry you will soon become to know that nothing is perfect, infact alot if far from perfect, even the biggest and "best" schools in te UK, USA, Spain, Aus have there faults.. its called LIFE.
i get the feeling this is another attempt to start a fresh post about NAC that will end in a slanging match and end up being withdrawn by the moderators again.
fly safely
TR
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Being the leader of the fanclub, I can only say that before Custer chose NAC he probably heard all the positive and honest feedback students had experienced at the school otherwise he wouldn't have enrolled.
Proves there are still satisfied customers around, not one has told me of being ripped off by the boss. (btw Custer...he is an active ppruner so watch your words.)
Remember they are ALL money making schemes but when you start comparing NAC with schools like IFTA, Ormond beach and many more across the USA, NAC actually puts others to shame.
Proves there are still satisfied customers around, not one has told me of being ripped off by the boss. (btw Custer...he is an active ppruner so watch your words.)
Remember they are ALL money making schemes but when you start comparing NAC with schools like IFTA, Ormond beach and many more across the USA, NAC actually puts others to shame.
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Sorry...
Couldn't stay out of this one.
Custer 66, you are definitely NOT the only one with a bad experience going to NAC.
In the last 2 years I've posted several times on several different threads, some of them very recent so Speedbird 744 get your numbers straight.
Therereceiver 2004, you need some special attention here.
Join date 13 oct 2004, 10 (!) posts you must have a
load of experience by now, since you didn't bother updating your profile, it still says PPL...and now you claim to be what exactly? The one and only holder of the truth huh...
By all means keep referring to NAC, your students will love you for it.
Kind regards, keep up the good work and Custer66 do not be bullied away by them
Custer 66, you are definitely NOT the only one with a bad experience going to NAC.
In the last 2 years I've posted several times on several different threads, some of them very recent so Speedbird 744 get your numbers straight.
Therereceiver 2004, you need some special attention here.
Join date 13 oct 2004, 10 (!) posts you must have a
load of experience by now, since you didn't bother updating your profile, it still says PPL...and now you claim to be what exactly? The one and only holder of the truth huh... By all means keep referring to NAC, your students will love you for it.
Kind regards, keep up the good work and Custer66 do not be bullied away by them
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I have no problem with people posting their experiences, good or bad, about any school, but mindless ranting of the kind Custer66 indulges in is no help to anyone.
For your posts to be of use to others seeking advice, you need to be specific about the shortcomings or good points of your subject. Random allegations of 'greed' and name-calling are ridiculously immature, and do nothing to aid the credibility of your argument - therefore you are likely to be ignored.
However, you may not be ignored if your tirades turn into direct attacks on individuals who may feel aggrieved enough to take action against you, so be careful!
Talk facts and events; give examples of service - good or bad. Let people make their own judgements from your experiences - not from your opinions. If you just want a bad-tempered rant, go down the pub with your mates.
Scroggs
For your posts to be of use to others seeking advice, you need to be specific about the shortcomings or good points of your subject. Random allegations of 'greed' and name-calling are ridiculously immature, and do nothing to aid the credibility of your argument - therefore you are likely to be ignored.
However, you may not be ignored if your tirades turn into direct attacks on individuals who may feel aggrieved enough to take action against you, so be careful!
Talk facts and events; give examples of service - good or bad. Let people make their own judgements from your experiences - not from your opinions. If you just want a bad-tempered rant, go down the pub with your mates.
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I was in Naples Air Center on August 2004 for my FAA PPL ME IR.
The service was excellent and the people there were proffessional.
Yes, I had to keep my account in credit while flying but it was a business, the service was provided damn well and I see no reason why should they not require you to have an account in credit.
During my stay there I met few folks that simply couldn't bother to adhere to some basic disciplines Flying Training - or service provided by a business - required and they left NAC for other more "relaxed" schools. If in the future I hear their name on the PA as flight crew I'd be worried.
I bet people moaning are the usual hideouts using Internet anonymity and just enjoying having a lough on someone's face they simply didn't like just because pprune is a public forum.
I have posted since August a thread on my experiences there incl. some photos in their FAQ forum.
http://naples-air-center.com/qanda/viewtopic.php?t=163
The service was excellent and the people there were proffessional.
Yes, I had to keep my account in credit while flying but it was a business, the service was provided damn well and I see no reason why should they not require you to have an account in credit.
During my stay there I met few folks that simply couldn't bother to adhere to some basic disciplines Flying Training - or service provided by a business - required and they left NAC for other more "relaxed" schools. If in the future I hear their name on the PA as flight crew I'd be worried.
I bet people moaning are the usual hideouts using Internet anonymity and just enjoying having a lough on someone's face they simply didn't like just because pprune is a public forum.
I have posted since August a thread on my experiences there incl. some photos in their FAQ forum.
http://naples-air-center.com/qanda/viewtopic.php?t=163