ME IR in Spain
Whilst you clearly have some difficulty distinguishing between a 'licence' and a 'rating', the fact is that the UK CAA will attach a rating gained in any JAA member state to a licence issued in the UK. However, it is also the case that an increasing number of UK airlines will insist that their pilots hold only licences and ratings issued in the UK.
Holders of JAA licences issued by other JAA member states are frequently being required to change their State of Licence Issue to the UK before being offered employment by UK airlines.
Holders of JAA licences issued by other JAA member states are frequently being required to change their State of Licence Issue to the UK before being offered employment by UK airlines.
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Originally Posted by BillieBob
Whilst you clearly have some difficulty distinguishing between a 'licence' and a 'rating
It doesn't make sense to me why the caa will reject a rating gained in a jaa state. Students train in Germany, France and other European countries and have gone on to work for airlines in this country after gaining thier license.I am sure you can find that out yourself. With the exception of the imc I think and know for sure the other ratings are accepted. I stand to be corrected.
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BillieBob
Which ones would they be?
Which ones would they be?
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I heard about someone who was on their 3rd series of attempts at the UK JAA IR test and was concerned that if he failed the 3rd series he could then never get the IR. He was advised to go to Spain (I think it was in Valencia) and a week later he had his IR.
Seems they are much more practical about the IR out there than here in the UK so it seems to be a much better option if you want to avoid the aggravation and especially the cost of the test fees, to go to Spain. Guess it really doesn't matter where as the schools are very price competitive and all appear to get good results on the test.
Seems they are much more practical about the IR out there than here in the UK so it seems to be a much better option if you want to avoid the aggravation and especially the cost of the test fees, to go to Spain. Guess it really doesn't matter where as the schools are very price competitive and all appear to get good results on the test.
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Hi,
I did mine at AEROFAN. Very good service, and they made me feel like a real customer. But do book up well in advance, the last I heard was that they were fully booked until October! They provided me with a very complete file that I gave to the CAA at Gatwick. No problem with that at all.
Whilst I was out in Madrid, there was another chap doing his IR-ME who had started the course previously at another FTO in the UK (can't remember which one I'm afraid), and for some reason or other decided to complete it at AEROFAN. He mentioned to me that the CAA didn't mind him doing it in Spain, but he had to start the course from scratch. So it looks like you can't just do the course at home, then fly a few hours in Spain and then do the skills test.
As for the IR Skills Test at Aerofan, mine was very complete indeed. My JAA examiner was an Iberia Airbus Captain, and it was a marvelous experience to fly with him. I learnt a lot!!!
Cheers!
I did mine at AEROFAN. Very good service, and they made me feel like a real customer. But do book up well in advance, the last I heard was that they were fully booked until October! They provided me with a very complete file that I gave to the CAA at Gatwick. No problem with that at all.
Whilst I was out in Madrid, there was another chap doing his IR-ME who had started the course previously at another FTO in the UK (can't remember which one I'm afraid), and for some reason or other decided to complete it at AEROFAN. He mentioned to me that the CAA didn't mind him doing it in Spain, but he had to start the course from scratch. So it looks like you can't just do the course at home, then fly a few hours in Spain and then do the skills test.
As for the IR Skills Test at Aerofan, mine was very complete indeed. My JAA examiner was an Iberia Airbus Captain, and it was a marvelous experience to fly with him. I learnt a lot!!!
Cheers!
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Hi nuclear
I did mine at Aeromadrid - i was not impressed to say the least. They promised me flights everyday - when i was lucky I was scheduled for 3times a week (incl SIM) - and then came the weather which fu.... that up - - seemed like Aerofan were much more practical there you flew when weather was within legal limits not when the CFI thought you could... and CFIs limits were alot stricter than the law. Another thing that is good about Aerofan is the english level spoken there, and there is a english boss there too. PM me for further info if you like.
I did mine at Aeromadrid - i was not impressed to say the least. They promised me flights everyday - when i was lucky I was scheduled for 3times a week (incl SIM) - and then came the weather which fu.... that up - - seemed like Aerofan were much more practical there you flew when weather was within legal limits not when the CFI thought you could... and CFIs limits were alot stricter than the law. Another thing that is good about Aerofan is the english level spoken there, and there is a english boss there too. PM me for further info if you like.
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Confused on standards
I feel uncertain on commiting to do my ME/IR in Spain as people i have spoke to said the standards are not the same as in the UK.I`m not by anymeans slating the training in Spain!!But heard people coming back to the UK are having to re-do aspects of the course to get up to speed for sim rides ect?Apparrently airways joining was unfamiliar and not alot covered on NDB`S
I see why the price is a big puller(for me !)compared to British prices and weather.Is there anyone on here who has secured a job in the UK after training in Spain OR anyone from UK schools like to shed an unbiased opinion.Please shoot my statements down,six grand against twelve,umm big savings!
I see why the price is a big puller(for me !)compared to British prices and weather.Is there anyone on here who has secured a job in the UK after training in Spain OR anyone from UK schools like to shed an unbiased opinion.Please shoot my statements down,six grand against twelve,umm big savings!
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A few of my UK trained pals have done brush up courses before going for airline sim checks, I just improves the chance of getting the job (even if its only a confidence boost).
Usually because of the heavy hire costs invoved, most students after completing the IR dont get the chance to fly IFR (especially in a twin!) until their annual renewel. IR skills rust VERY quickly when not being used.
Usually because of the heavy hire costs invoved, most students after completing the IR dont get the chance to fly IFR (especially in a twin!) until their annual renewel. IR skills rust VERY quickly when not being used.
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Originally Posted by Alex Whittingham
Don't FTE Jerez use the same examiners as Aerodynamics Malaga? How could the tests be different?
Annecdotal evidence from a couple of customers of the Spanish schools would appear to indicate a more "relaxed" attitude by the examiners when it came to standards.
I stress that this is annecdotal evidence but I did speak to these people direct whilst training them here in the UK after the event.
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Originally Posted by Me-Uk
complete indeed. My JAA examiner was an Iberia Airbus Captain, and it was a marvelous experience to fly with him. I learnt a lot!!!
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You should not have "learnt a lot" from an examiner!
I have heard the rumours about this "relaxed" attitude (no screens, lax height keeping etc.). However like most of these sorts of rumours, they seem to be exaggerated by some UK flight training establishments and tend not to be the "norm". (Not saying that is the case in your experience).
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Originally Posted by pipertommy
.Is there anyone on here who has secured a job in the UK after training in Spain OR anyone from UK schools like to shed an unbiased opinion.Please shoot my statements down,six grand against twelve,umm big savings!
I am aware of at least 3 guys who have been through Aerofan to do their IR/ME and are ow with airlines flying 737/ a320
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It`s a worry
Ye Mercenary Pilot its stuff like not even having screens up during test Thats what i worry about!Dont want to waste my money and have to retrain when i come back
Thats what i worry about!Dont want to waste my money and have to retrain when i come back
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Ye Mercenary Pilot its stuff like not even having screens up during test That’s what I worry about!Dont want to waste my money and have to retrain when I come back
). Visit the your shortlisted schools before even thinking about signing up or handing over any money.
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Originally Posted by moggiee
Was he examining or teaching? You should not have "learnt a lot" from an examiner!
The exam was very thorough. It's not easy dealing with an engine-failure on a light twin whilst flying the missed approach procedure, at 4000 feet with an OAT of 35ºC, even if it is in a Cessna 310! The examiner was not "relaxed".
But, after we finnished a very complete exam indeed, and once he had de-briefed and done the paperwork, he spent another whole hour and half discussing several parts of the exam and how I could work at improving. He also explained the differences that I can expect if I move up and get a job with an airline, and what to expect at sim check ride. I think this chap was also a TRE.
So, let's not get anyone thinking that an IR is Spain is a give-away, because it quite simply isn't. At least not in my case.
