Modular Is The Way
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I seem to be repeating myself! You don't need to complete an integrated course to apply with low hours for BA CitiExpress, the BA franchise operator.
I seem to be repeating myself! You don't need to complete an integrated course to apply with low hours for BA CitiExpress, the BA franchise operator.
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that the catch tho its not a JAA intergrated course..its a ICAO and i am probably gonna have to end up doing a conversion if i choose to return but if u were in shoes where it dosent matter even if it means reloacating to the ends of the world a ICAO qualification is as good as any. newayz im gonna go with pro-ifr...just aint got the money to train over here..modular or integrated
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Be wary. If you do a non-JAA IR with a view to cheap conversion, you will probably end up spending more in the end. The 15-hour conversion is a minimum. It is designed for a holder of, say an FAA or CASA IR who has some experience and wishes now to work in the UK. Conversion from a fresh new FAA IR will probably take you longer. I would only recommend doing an FAA IR if you are going to use it, never simply to convert it!
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With my employer you could do 15 hours on the aircraft for about £5145, less if you use the sim for some of it which is about £145 per hour instead of £345. That is about normal for the UK. However, don't expect to pass first time after 15 hours!
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I asked Bristol Flying Centre and Multiflight to give their realistic estimates for the flying portion of a license conversion for our students. Interestingly they both came in at about £9,000 to £10,000 all in for a CPL skills test and an IR conversion using a typical number of hours, not the minimum. Details of their figures are on our forum.
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thanx for the figures SC and Alex...so im essentially looking at around 10-12k for my conversion. its a bit more than i anticipated but its still a significant saving if im going to train in Canada. i understand the quality of training over here is well recognized but i can only squeeze so much outta me folks and the rest is going to be coming out from a loan so i havent really got a choice other than to train somewhere else and do a conversion. the canadian one is costing me approx 22k in pounds including accomodation using typical flying hours which i can just bout afford for now. thanx again guys 
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I think the modular students out there are getting worried now the market has closed up.....integrated does seem to be the way as opposed the the paint by numbers modular route.
If I were an employer i'd want consistency and professionalism. Something you get with a integrated course. Something that is hard to strive for (but possible) with a modular route.
Guess which one i've opted for?
If I were an employer i'd want consistency and professionalism. Something you get with a integrated course. Something that is hard to strive for (but possible) with a modular route.
Guess which one i've opted for?
Err the more expensive one that gets you fewer hours, takes longer and sees you as being just a number in a big sausage machine..?
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Now then, I am an airline pilot recruiter (pretend) I have 2 pilots in front of me, one is quietly confident, answers my questions honestly, not always exactly what I want to hear but close enough to prove that he/she isn't 
ing and has a sense of humour that isn't irritating.
This same pilot passes the sim check okay and generally we like them.
The other pilot is an ARSE!! who I wouldn't trust with a tram leave alone a 737, now, should I just check to see whether they are Modular or Integrated before I choose one?
Should I bollox.
...and BA do/will recruit modular route pilots. If you don't believe me, ask them.
ing and has a sense of humour that isn't irritating.This same pilot passes the sim check okay and generally we like them.
The other pilot is an ARSE!! who I wouldn't trust with a tram leave alone a 737, now, should I just check to see whether they are Modular or Integrated before I choose one?
Should I bollox.
...and BA do/will recruit modular route pilots. If you don't believe me, ask them.
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Iscajp,
Without getting into a, 'this route's better than that route' discussion:-
Exactly how has the market 'closed up' for modular students? Do you mean the entire market, airline, bizjet etc or are you just referring to the chances of walking out of school and straight into a major carrier?
Without getting into a, 'this route's better than that route' discussion:-
Exactly how has the market 'closed up' for modular students? Do you mean the entire market, airline, bizjet etc or are you just referring to the chances of walking out of school and straight into a major carrier?
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If I were an employer i'd want consistency and professionalism. Something you get with a integrated course. Something that is hard to strive for (but possible) with a modular route. Guess which one i've opted for?
Believe me I know plenty of schools where you'll get more consistency of instruction picking the modular route than some integrated courses, and as professional.
Modular does not mean mediocre, just as Integrated does not mean better. They are different routes to the same end, a fATPL.
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Madness!
Why is there so much debate on this subject? It seems to be down to oneupmanship rather than reasonable debate.
Now I'm going to go into a preechy ramble but...
Part of the requirement of pilots is to make difficult decisions quickly. These decisions must be made upon available facts and the circumstances.
The choices we all make in life are difficult and the results often depend on perception/personality. One point that everyone has missed is actually the most important!
It's the point regarding Happiness.
This is not simply a hippy statement. If you are happy learning then the quality of the experience will be of further benefit to you.
You should choose which ever course you feel happiest doing and the only way you will know is by taking a risk and committing to one path and keeping your fingers crossed.
There is no easy way to fulfilling dreams, or what would be the point? Success is down to many more factors than integrated or modular. Either is only as good as the person doing them. Your success will depend on you and your determination. Your ability to gain a job will depend on your ability to overcome the competition, economic climate and the challenges you face everyday.
So don't get hung up on which might be the best way. There isn't one. Just different ways. Everyone who's done it has a different story to tell. So just go the way that's most plausible to you in terms of cost and time and which you feel is most suitable but mostly, which you are most happy about doing.
Good luck... just don't get luckier than me
Why is there so much debate on this subject? It seems to be down to oneupmanship rather than reasonable debate.
Now I'm going to go into a preechy ramble but...
Part of the requirement of pilots is to make difficult decisions quickly. These decisions must be made upon available facts and the circumstances.
The choices we all make in life are difficult and the results often depend on perception/personality. One point that everyone has missed is actually the most important!
It's the point regarding Happiness.
This is not simply a hippy statement. If you are happy learning then the quality of the experience will be of further benefit to you.
You should choose which ever course you feel happiest doing and the only way you will know is by taking a risk and committing to one path and keeping your fingers crossed.
There is no easy way to fulfilling dreams, or what would be the point? Success is down to many more factors than integrated or modular. Either is only as good as the person doing them. Your success will depend on you and your determination. Your ability to gain a job will depend on your ability to overcome the competition, economic climate and the challenges you face everyday.
So don't get hung up on which might be the best way. There isn't one. Just different ways. Everyone who's done it has a different story to tell. So just go the way that's most plausible to you in terms of cost and time and which you feel is most suitable but mostly, which you are most happy about doing.
Good luck...
just don't get luckier than me
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Every pebble is a different shape
It is not for one person to say that one of the two is better or worse for another person.
That is the main reason why this debate goes on and on.
I don't think there are many of us who would shell out the kind of money we do without knowing all the facts and all the options.
Patty O'Doors has the right idea. If you are a good bloke and you justify the reasons you made the decisions you did, you will get hired.
I chose the Integrated course, personally...not because I am gullible, or have spare cash to burn, not even because I thought it was better than modular. I chose to do it that way because it was the best option for me . I have a mortgage to pay and I am not getting any younger so I wanted the course over as quickly as possible; my bank manager felt more comfortable with me paying one sum for an all-in package and you get to wear a lovely uniform (only joking about the last one).
To quote, if I may:
"...don't judge a man until you have walked in his shoes..."
It doesn't matter how you climb the cliff-face as long as you reach the summit (and you are not an ARSE)
HG
That is the main reason why this debate goes on and on.
I don't think there are many of us who would shell out the kind of money we do without knowing all the facts and all the options.
Patty O'Doors has the right idea. If you are a good bloke and you justify the reasons you made the decisions you did, you will get hired.
I chose the Integrated course, personally...not because I am gullible, or have spare cash to burn, not even because I thought it was better than modular. I chose to do it that way because it was the best option for me . I have a mortgage to pay and I am not getting any younger so I wanted the course over as quickly as possible; my bank manager felt more comfortable with me paying one sum for an all-in package and you get to wear a lovely uniform (only joking about the last one).
To quote, if I may:
"...don't judge a man until you have walked in his shoes..."
It doesn't matter how you climb the cliff-face as long as you reach the summit (and you are not an ARSE)
HG
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Some wise words from Handspring there, I agree whole-heartedly, and not just because my circumstances are very similar in terms of age etc. I have my feelings on the pro's and cons of M vs. I, but I'm not going to air them, because by now it would be a pointless thing to do.
What I will say however is this; although some are pilots and some are not, (I fall into the latter group), I read through some postings here and realize more and more that if you don't have some of the basic abilities such as professionalism, motivation, common sense, ability to listen and learn, leadership potential, confidence, humour and humility then it won't matter one bit what route you take, you won't improve your chances one iota. Want my advice as a wannabe - take a long good look in the mirror.
The way some pilots carry themselves on this forum astounds me, and quite frankly, I can't believe they made it. As I've said before, I've learnt a lot here about different experiences in regard to M vs. I, but my circumstances haven't changed, and neither have my training plans, and they are not likely to either regardless of what people rant on about.
MO
What I will say however is this; although some are pilots and some are not, (I fall into the latter group), I read through some postings here and realize more and more that if you don't have some of the basic abilities such as professionalism, motivation, common sense, ability to listen and learn, leadership potential, confidence, humour and humility then it won't matter one bit what route you take, you won't improve your chances one iota. Want my advice as a wannabe - take a long good look in the mirror.
The way some pilots carry themselves on this forum astounds me, and quite frankly, I can't believe they made it. As I've said before, I've learnt a lot here about different experiences in regard to M vs. I, but my circumstances haven't changed, and neither have my training plans, and they are not likely to either regardless of what people rant on about.
MO
